Niners coach Mike Singletary and new offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye got together with the local media on a conference call this afternoon.
Singletary spent 15 minutes on the phone with reporters. Here are some of the topics he addressed:
--He said the most important thing in this process was to find person with leadership, preparation and vision to take the 49ers forward.
--Raye signed a three-year contract.
--Singletary said he and Raye were on the same page, as far as their philosophies. He talked about physicality and toughness, mentally and physically, and the discipline it takes to do those things. Those are things he was really excited about.
--He was asked about the process. Singletary said on Dec. 31 that he wanted it done "yesterday." He said it took longer than he wanted it to. "Sometimes good things come to those who wait," he said. He said he did not want to have a knee-jerk reaction and regret hiring somebody too soon.
--Singletary said he was intrigued by Hue Jackson and what he accomplished with
--Singletary said he had the assistant coaches meet with the candidates because he wanted them to take "ownership," as well. "We have a staff that is pretty special," he said. He said he wanted to get a feel for how the staff interacted with the potential candidates. Singletary said he did not ask the coaches to select the new offensive coordinator.
--Singletary said the "highly sought-after names" are not necessarily the best hires. "That alone does not determine whether you're going to have a successful offense," he said. "What I think about is that leadership and preparation and our team and our whole vision."
--When asked if Singletary was looking for continuity, he said it went beyond that. He said there are no guarantees, but he wanted to get good leadership.
--Singletary was asked about Scott Linehan. He said he did not want to speak too much about that situation, but he said there was a misconception about him offering Linehan the job. "Scott Linehan was honest," Singletary said. Singletary said he told Linehan what he needed out of the offensive coordinator. "I asked Scott Linehan straight forward: 'Can you do these things? If you can't, be honest and let me know.' He got back to me and said, 'What you need right now, I don't think I can do that. I'm going to have to back away.' "
--When asked of new QBs coach Mike Johnson will be the coordinator-in-waiting, Singletary said it would be nice to think he could do that. "But, right now, he is the quarterbacks coach." Singletary said Johnson came highly recommended.
--I asked Singletary if Raye's view of the quarterbacks were a consideration, and how Alex Smith fits into the future of the club "As we go forward in free agency, we'll have to sit down when the time is right and deal with that," Singletary said. He said he's excited about Raye's influence over everybody on offense - not just the quarterbacks. "I feel good about Shaun Hill and have to see what happens with Alex Smith," Singletary added.
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Jimmy Raye called in from
--He plans to return to the Bay Area on Wednesday for good. He said he will meet with GM Scot McCloughan and start going over personnel evaluations. He will also look at all the film from last season and learn from the assistants what each player was asked to do.
--Raye has not worked with any of the assistant coaches on his staff, but he knows most of them from being in the league for so long. He said he will speak with Singletary about the possibility of adding an assistant with whom he is comfortable to the staff.
--He said he and Singletary share a vision and a passion for football. They have the same thoughts on the game. He spoke about being a tough, physical team.
--The first time he met Singletary was prior to the Jets-49ers game this season. Raye said he walked across the field before the game to introduce himself.
--When asked about his thoughts on the 49ers' personnel, he said he knows more about the 49ers' defense. He said he intends to study the offense, beginning next week. He said he's aware of Frank Gore and DeShaun Foster. He did not mention Vernon Davis by name, but he said he is familiar with him from the combine. He said he lies his size, speed and ability to block. He said the only time he has seen Shaun Hill was the "day he took us (Jets) apart." He also alluded to Isaac Bruce and center Eric Heitmann.
--Raye said he followed the interview process from afar. He said Singletary's vision was appealing to him, and that he did not feel the least by stifled. "He is the head coach of the football team," Raye said. He said Singletary has the right to influence the offense in any way he wants.
--Raye runs the digit system, which was brought to the 49ers by Norv Turner in 2007. Raye learned that system with the Rams under Ernie Zampese. That's where he worked with Turner.
--When asked if he wants to be a head coach, Raye said his main objective is operating the 49ers' offense to its maximum and see if we can get into the playoffs.
--His first NFL job came in 1977 with the 49ers. He was receivers coach. Gene Washington led the 49ers that season with 32 receptions.
--The last time Raye was an offensive coordinator was in 2004 and '05 with the Raiders. However, Raye was not the primarily play-caller. Turner called most of the plays, but Raye prepared as if he would call the plays. From time to time, Turner would instruct Raye to take over. "He was principal play-caller," he said. "I was the backup play-caller. . . . The lion's share of the play-calling was done by him."
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"physicality and toughness" I am down with that
I'm not watching a single game next year. Just bury the franchise 6 feet under and start over. This rollover b.s. we have every year is ridiculous. We have no leadership, no vision, no execution. It starts from the top.
(I had just posted this on an old blog when the new one came out, apologies to those who have already read):
I wish to offer the following, perhaps simplistic, ray of hope (no pun intended) to those who, like me, were in disbelief when news of the Raye hire first came down.
It seems to me that back in the old days, 500 or so years ago, when guys like Sing and, on the O-side, Rathman and other fullbacks (Marcus Allen comes to mind) were active, "smash-mouth football" simply meant that when it was 3rd or 4th and 2, in the red zone, and everyone in the country new you were going to run over guard, you could do it and make it, 9 times out of 10.
This really is a good thing to be able to do, and Sing obviously thinks we have not had this capability in recent years (he is correct, we haven't) and need to develop it (again, correct).
At the same time, I have a dim memory of (I think) the second time we played the Bengals in the Big One. We were behind with less than two minute to go, got the ball deep in our own territory, and in something like a minute and 38 seconds (forgive me if I am off a few) went 92 yards with an incredible combination of passes and outside runs that made the Cinci secondary look like a sieve. I believe John Taylor caught the game winner.
Even if I have botched a few details, there was absolutely nothing "smash-mouth" about that drive. It was simply not the time for grunt football. And my point is that the two styles are not necessarily incompatible.
The thing I find interesting about Raye's less than impressive resume is that in those KC years he had pretty good offenses that ALTERNATED from good running to good passing (the year Elvis Grbac was hot.) The more I have reflected on this fact, the more hopeful I have become.
Sing is not an idiot. He is right that great teams and consistent winning are not built without toughness and the ability to run over guard when appropriate. And since he has also hinted that no one has a lock on the QB spot next season, it seems likely that he is also quite aware that great teams must be able to do the 92 yard, minute and 38 second drill. And probably also the ha-ha, caught-you-cheating-up-65-yard-torch-throw.
How could someone who made a point of consulting repeatedly with Bill Walsh NOT have made this a part of his vision?
If Jimmy less-than-spectacular-record is a guy who Sing and his assistants think can help put the nuts and bolts together--because he has seen them all, in every shape and form--it is just possible that they are right.
Bottom line: Let's see what we look like at mid-point of next season. This hire could be way more interesting than I initially thought.
Matt: Alright...it's been crazy, frustrating, embarrassing, enigmatic, ...(fill in your choice descriptor here). What is your summary impression? Does leave you with a residual of doubt or amplify your optimism (if you have such emotions on this).
Having the same philosophy is great and all but as we've seen in the past that is just one aspect of the game.. Can this guy actually call a game, make adjustments and react to what the opposing defense is doing? You can have the best offense philosophy in the world but if you dont know how to play call (like certain unnamed coaches) then the offense will be useless.
Hey Mark W, you may not realize this, but it's not your blog, dude! Write a comment, not a story.
Perhaps you should either learn to read, or hit the "page-down" button on your computer? Either one would be ok.
MarkW I couldn't agree more, took the words right outta my mouth. The thing I think "fans" fail to realize (and stay way to hung up on) is the emphasis on the running game. The running game is the foundation to a multi-dimensional offensive attack. If your run game is difficult to stop, then presumably the O-lineman are "beastin'" up front, if that's the case, you create time for your QB to throw, and thus, you have a to headed monster of an offense.
Champtionship caliber teams ESTABLISH THE PASS FIRST. They HAVE to be able to pass the ball. And then they need to be able to run as well. Teams that talk about running all the time or becoming a running team DON'T win Super Bowls. They can't come from behind. Or don't you remember the two 49er fourth quarter comebacks FROM JUST LAST YEAR? You need a team that passes BIG TIME! Teams that were too top heavy in running (like the Falcons, Titans and Ravens) all lost in the playoffs to better passing teams. You don't go conservative. This is why Jeff Fisher and Marty Shottenheimer don't have SB rings and why Bill Belechik, who is NOT a conservative coach and doesn't talk about the running game, has three of them. You Pass, then you run, then you get cornerbacks and pass rushers to stop the other team's passing. And you win. The Bill Walsh/Bill Parcelles/Bill Belichik playbook. (Now, I'm a "Mike", but maybe we're hiring too many Mikes. No Bills around?)
Yep, that page down button works like a charm. I have been using it to bypass any frantically pessimistic posts from Terry and his band of haters for a few days now. Get on the bus or get out of the way, Faithfull! Great post, MarkW. Toughness, discipline and balance. I am excited for some good football. Now it's Scotty's turn to find a FB, RT, NT, S and some QB and RB talent in FA/Draft. We get two extra minicamps, so let's get this thing moving.
Where, in these two hires, does the organization have someone who can tutor a QB in the finer points of the position. Walsh always stressed a QB's footwork. Where do Raye and Johnson have the history to develop QBs. The club will undoubtedly be drafting a young QB early in the draft, and Singletary who does not have a clue about offense, is selling us a load of BS about Raye and Johnson being entrusted with teaching our QBs. The rest of the NFL is laughing their collective butts off at what the 49ers have become under the Yorks. Why doesn't Singletary get the opinions of the janitors and ushers at Candlestick before making a decision!
While I was hoping they would hire Hue Jackson, I'm glad we've got someone (hopefully) for three years and that he is eager to get here and start studying film on the players he has. I also like the comment about asking what each player was asked to do, versus being disappointed in what he might see a player do or not do.
I think those two minicamps are huge.
Go SF Bears!!
Hoping for '85 version; expecting '75 Bears.
If the folks in Chi understood how they did it, they might not have been a one-time wonder. It pains me to include the middle linebacker in that. I'm guessing it takes us four years to get ourselves out of the NFC Central.
Kezar, you need to take a deep breath. I'm sure you'e smarter than your latest posts have been. There is no one way to win football games. The winner of the SB last year set the tone for that whole game by opening up (establishing) with a ten minute, smash-mouth dominant run oriented drive that put the entire Patriot team back on its heels. Play action passing demands a running game that the other team actually fears. The Cardinals are winning in the playoffs partly because they have stopped being all pass-wacky. Only one type of offense is guaranteed to fail: a one dimensional one, whether that be running or passing.
Matt, Hate to go the speculation route but here it is....Taking into consideration Raye's age and lack landmark OC accomplishments in the past. Also taking into consideration Singletary's documented respect for Norv Turner, and Turner's somewhat rocky standing in San Diego and Raye also serving under Turner in Oakland (similar terminology). Do think the Niners may have Turner in the back of their mind if he were to come available? Sorry for the Ralph Barbieri, two minute question.
What offense? Go Single wing! It even rhymes with 'Sing!" Now we don't have to worry about the QB position anymore! I say use 4 fullbacks!
"Teams that were too top heavy in running (like the Falcons, Titans and Ravens) all lost in the playoffs to better passing teams."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure turnovers had a lot to do with that as well.
Nice post MarcW. I too am holding my opinion on the Raye hire until mid-season.
A fellow blogger sent me a DVD (thanks Geo @ the Gate) about Singletary playing under Ditka/Buddy Ryan to get an idea of the leadership/coaching styles he learned from. In an interview Singletary talked about McMahon as their ace, wildcard they now had. At this interview it was after McMahon led them to a comeback game where he threw multiple TD's in a quarter to win a game coming off the bench because he was injured. Willie Gault was their deep threat. Sing said they were never out of any game because of that capability. Perhaps Singletary hasn't committed to the QB position yet because he's looking for that type of weapon at QB & also at WR?
Sing wants to be able to run when he WANTS & NEEDS TO. He never discounted the passing game. He wants to get the toughness instilled first through the entire team & especially get the O/D line mentality established. I hear what Kezar Mike is saying & I hope Sing is also trying to develop a creative passing attack. He did say there are games when we will be passing more than running. It all depends on who we're playing & what our opponents weaknesses are.
Matt, Hate to go the speculation route but here it is....Taking into consideration Raye's age and lack landmark OC accomplishments in the past. Also taking into consideration Singletary's documented respect for Norv Turner, and Turner's somewhat rocky standing in San Diego and Raye also serving under Turner in Oakland (similar terminology). Do think the Niners may have Turner in the back of their mind if he were to come available? Sorry for the Ralph Barbieri, two minute question.
In all the hoopla surrounding the catch phrase, "smash mouth" I think one thing got lost in the mix. Singletary said he wanted an offense like the SF WCO of yore in that we could "impose our will" on a team. He's said he wanted an offense where the whole world would know we were going to run, yet the other team wouldn't be able to stop us.
I have no problems with that mentality.
Excellent post, Mark. I am still dubious about this hire but you bring up some excellent points and thoughts to chew on. Thanks for the lucid read.
"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure turnovers had a lot to do with that as well."
You'd be right: Titans turned the ball over three times against the Ravens, who then turned it over four times against the Steelers (including three INTs). Atlanta had three turnovers as well.
Look, I get the idea of pass first then run. The 49ers were very good at that back in the day. But I don't necessarily think one approach is better than the other, depending on your personnel and defense. The NY Giants won the whole thing last year as a top rushing team, and if you were a top 5 rushing team this year, you made the playoffs. Only two of the top 5 passing teams made it (Colts and Cardinals)
Pittsburgh, meanwhile, is bottom third in rushing, and middle of the pack in passing. But they have a great defense.
So yeah, if you have a Joe Montana or Kurt Warner with a nice roster of receivers you could probably set up with the pass fairly easily. If you have Shaun Hill, who don't me wrong I like him, and no real No. 1 receiver, that makes things a bit more difficult.
MM - What do you think about Delanie Walker moving to fullback w/ the positions emphasis for this offense? He may be able to put up some Rathman-esk #'s w/ his recieving abilities, and he's a big, physical player.
I wasn't sure what to expect when I googled Jimmy Raye and found this picture on the Jets' web site. While he's no spring chicken, he certainly doesn't look like he's on death's doorstep either: http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/1311/raye_jimmy.jpg
From Barrows....
Asked about his vision for offense, he refuted the notion that he and Singletary are obsessed with the run. "I think this is the new millenium -- 2009," Raye said. "I don't think we can play one-dimensional. Never have." Raye pointed to the success he had in the passing game in Kansas City, especially using play action to throw to Tony Gonzalez, Andre Rison and Derrick Alexander.
Looks like Yota with a mean streak. Maybe he is what Sing was looking for after all.
Thank you for your insightful commentary. In keeping with the foundation for your statement that Sing is feeding us a "load of BS" and your sarcasm about seeking the opinions of the janitors at Candlestick because Sing had the audacity to seek the input of his staff, would you be so kind as to provide us with your resume/foundation for knowing what you opine to be true or shall we assume it to be so because you sit on your base of knowledge with a beer on Sundays watching TV?
"LEADERSHIP!?" Raye should know what that is! He was around when Moses walked the Earth, so he should be prepared!
The 49ers greatest teams were always led by great QB's! And the 49ers were always the Franchise that was able to provide their fans and the NFL with them. YA Tittle, Brodie, I remember watching him from Cleveland and he was really excellent despite that some in the Bay Area called him a loser. Then Montana and Young, nothing to mention but Hall of Fame here. Maybe you could throw Garcia in there, too. I can understand the naysayers about Garcia, but he was between a rock and a hard place and although he won't end up in the Hall of Fame, looking back he tried to replace back to back Hall of Famers.
So to be known as the Team that provided the NFL consistently with some of the greatest QB's and some of the greatest teams, it's hard to see that disappearing before our eyes with the York's. And now we have a HC and OC that want to drag this team to the level of the Bear offense. The same Bear offense that except for one year, the 49ers beat like a drum. And that's whether the games were playoff games or not.
Many of us feel cheated.
LOL! Uh oh, he's back...
If you read Matt's post, you can see that there was a misconception of Sing's offensive philosophy. Establishing the run is important, but it's not the complete gospel.
As for the Qb's, yes, i'd agree (1st time for everything, Terry) that the Niners have been a QB factory for quite a while. But it also doesn't hurt to have...oh I don't know...Bill Walsh, Jerry Rice, a dominant O-Line, punishing defense...just to name a few important must-haves for a successful team. My point is, those Niner teams were complete teams. This team, recently, not so much. You gotta start somwhere and I think Sing wanting to establish a culture of toughness, which would contribute to a culture of winning, is not a bad thing at all.
touche, drew! lol
And tell me, Mark W, how hitting "page-down" does anything for me when I leave a comment and there is... well... nothing below my comment at the time? Hmmmm? Is it because other people agree with you? Well congratulations on that.
It seemed that Singletary had a very specific set of requirements for OC, and not all of them said they could satisfy those requirements.
I still think that because Raye had been available but not formally interviewed, other candidates were more highly thought of at first, but could not satisfy the stringent requirements set by Singletary. I am not sure if this is good or bad, but it's very clear that Singletary has a vision and leadership.
There's no doubt Singletary knows who he is, what he wants the 9ers to be, and how to get there. He'll get there, but I am afraid that his vision is incorrect in this time. I really hope I am wrong, but I do not see a team able to run when they want to winning superbowl anymore. Teams that pass when they want to seem to be the current blueprint.
Who knows? Football is about execution in the end. And maybe that's what Singletary means: execute well at any time, and when you execute, it doesn't matter if it's a pass or a run. I really admire his leadership, vision, commitment, and courage (ignoring popular demand for a hot name). I hope he succeeds.
I'm in total agreement with you. Depending on personnel an offense can be effective as run first or pass first. Yet, my preference is an offense where the pass sets up the run. Thats how Bill Walsh operated and he had just a tiny bit of success with it.
Singletary vision is to clone the Niners into another Baltimore Ravens: Tough Defense + Power running game. May be he will get into playoffs with wildcard, but no chance for SuperBowl. They will not score enough point to catch up if left behind. Raye and Jackson were hired because they are YES type of coordinators. They will run plays the way Singletary wants them to run. The creative coordinators have either been fired or said NO to the Niners' offer.
I can't think of one team that was great at running AND great at passing. I think that's understandable because to be preeminent at one means some trade-off/sacrifice in the other. That may mean an OL that can run block better than pass block or a running back that cant catch or just a matter of practicing one more than the other.
So I disagree when folks say that Sing did not preclude having a great passing attack when he said he wanted a dominant running game. In practice he did. His power running team will not be as good at passing whether he wants it to be or not.
And that's the wrong trade-off. This is a passing league and the teams that have a good balanced attack that favors the pass have clearly had the most success over the past decade or so. Pat's won Superbowls on Tom Brady's arm, Colt's on Peyton's, Giants on Ely's and I think the winner on Sunday will have done it through the air too.
There are exceptions. The last Steelers, the Ravens before then and the Bears before that, but they are exceptions and not the rule. Low percentage choices.
If Raye is to be believed, all the Niners need is a great FB and offensive success will be theirs. I don't think so. I hope deep down he doesn't either and has the balls to stand up to Sing.
Singletary referenced the way Raye answered interview questions. Did he ever comment on the body of Raye's work. If not, do you think it is work asking him about to what extent Raye's "body of work" factored into the decision versus his interviews?
Not sure if there are any Sing supporters left. Man he took 30 days to use up his capital.
Raye is an 8 time loser.
Meaning he isn't good enough to be an OC in this league anymore. This is why he was a recently fired Running Backs coach.
Such an embarrassment this has been.
No question that we need a more effective running game. Getting a heavy duty fullback may be all that's needed. The 49ers were able to run better toward the end of last season, but I never had confidence that 3rd and one was a sure thing. If you can run consistently from the beginning of the game, getting four yards a pop, it's fine to run to set up the pass. In the old WCO, however, more often than not it was pass to set up the run, and that should have been used more last season, since the passing game was much stronger than the run.
So the question is, when Singletary talks about the need for a smashmouth run game, does he mean that we need to be a "running team" primarily? Or does he mean that we have to have both, and the run problems last year were simply more serious, and must be addressed first?
Nobody has mentioned this and perhaps that is a good thing. Jimmy Raye is an AA coach and was good QB at Michigan State in 1965-67. Not too many AAs could be QBs in the Big Ten then. Sounds like a man of integrity and should fit in well.
Congratulations to the Niners for hiring him.
Hey Matt! I personally am excited about this hire. So much so, that I have come with a new slogan for him: Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy RAYE! We're calling Jimmy!
More commercials as memorable as that Jimmy Shea commercial need to be brough back.
Please read Lowell Cohn's colunm "Hire an old no-name coordinator-that's the ticket" . Mr. Cohn is the man!!!! He says it best when he writes, and I paraphrase, " Why hire a young inovative coordinator who some other team will want to hire, just hire an old, past his prime coordinator that no one will want to hire". Singletary has proven himself to be an incompetent religious fruitcake. Jed the boyking should just have hired G.W. Bush, I hear he's available. This whole month long process and the resulting hires, is an insult to 49er fans everywhere! I also want to appologize to Mike Brown and the Bengal organization for saying on many occasions that the Yorks were turning the 49ers into the Mike Brown's Bengals. The Yorks have turned our beloved 49ers into the Harlem Globetrotters ie a clown show!
Skeebers you are transparent (ironic)
Drew please post your resume that you might justify having a more valid opinion than Montana_.....
And finally, The Emperor is @#%%$%! !!!!!!!!!!!!
The more I read, and listen to the nirers interviews with Sing and Ray, the more I like this hire. Vernon Davis will finally have his break out year!
You can call me a hater all you like, but I am not going to be holding my breath again this year. The best I truly believe we can hope for is that the McSing era comes to end next year. I hope we clean house from GM on down. Bring in a mix of proven and up and coming guys, let them build their staff from the ground up, get a new QB (next years draft will feature several quality guys) and begin a whole new era of 49er football. I have been a faithful 49er fan for a long time and will always be, but this year in and year out routine of fairly predictable mediocrity is getting old. Anyone who thinks that McSing, a 6 time retread OC and Hill at QB is getting us into the playoff anytime soon is kidding themselves. I like Sing and think he is a great guy and pretty decent coach but I truly we feel we need an entire new start inside and out. Next year there will be a slew of pretty good coaches / GM's available along with a pretty good QB class, looks like as good a year as over to start a new. The window for success in this league get's smaller and smaller every year, it's time we open a new one.
PHX49er, you are a quality person. Excellently written!
Well, it seems undeniable that this is Singletary's team. He has designed it just as he wants it, apparently. Sucess, failure, in between...it's on him. We shall see.
Whatever happens this year, it will make a good story. Sing goes out on a limb and ... either falls off or proves he knows what he's doing. I would prefer some creative tension to being on the same page. I would prefer a solid history of success to career underachiever (as OC). I worry when Sing calls the current staff pretty special. I'll agree with that assessment when they win their first playoff game. Once the regular season starts, we'll find out real fast how this McSingRaye thing is going to work.
I would say we'll miss you not supporting this team but frankly I am not sure we will. Have fun rooting for another team, because we don't want quitters on this team.
You should check out Daniel Brown from the Merc. He interviewed a couple of Raye's former players, whose comments pretty much disproved Cohn's hearsay.
Who's more credible?
Raye a 'great motivator' who would help 49ers
Because Jackie Slater (who retired 17 years ago) and Tony Richardson say he's great?
Man, you are not a bright guy at all Max.
How would you respond to the fact that Jimmy Raye has NEVER been a success in this league.
Never.
Um, dudn't that count?
Do you wake up every morning wondering how to get humiliated online? W-L records cannot be considered when looking at an OC. By your logic, the Saints OC stunk since they went 8-8. Never mind that they had the #1 offense, that 8-8 record show that guy don't know how to run an offense.
You want to assume the Steelers' OC is miles better since they went 12-4 and is in the SB when everyone knows it was the defense that got them in? You want to believe being ranked 20th is greatness?
Here's something you may not know. Raye's best year was in 2000 with KC where their offense ranked 8th. Their record was 7-9, which to you, say Raye is a loser. If you have an 8th ranked offense and you're 7-9, the problem isn't offense. Let me back this claim up even more. 4 years later, 4 years after Raye left, the Chiefs enjoyed the #1 ranked offense and was #2 in scoring. Priest Homes, Larry Johnson and Derrick Blaylock was tearing it up on the ground and Trent Green passed for 4,591 yards. Hey, those are even better numbers than what Raye put up in 2000 with lesser talent. Guess what? They went 7-9 that year, too.
Bottom line here is that even if Raye gets our offense looking better (which doing better than 22nd shouldn't be too hard to do), it will be in vain if Manusky fails on his end.
I think we should all relax and be glad the search is over. When this guy had some talent he did some good things. He is not going to run this team by himself. What is really critical is our offseason free agency pick-ups and our draft picks. You got to have talented players to win, so lets see if we can get some more of that before we put our whole season on this guys shoulders. I like the fact he mentioned bringing in a true fullback. You got the perfect running backs coach for that!
Allright, Matt. The coaching staff is in place. Is it time for you to turn your focus to the draft?
No rest for the weary...
First of all, not that this matters, but Raye looks like uncle Fester from the Adam's Family. Second, go to 49ers.com and listen to the conference calls between both Singletary and Raye and the Bay area reporters. It is a joke, George W. Bush has a higher IQ and better communication skills. Third, any coach who wears a big crucifix around his neck belongs in a seminary not on the sidelines of the 49ers. Fourth, it all starts at the top, and as long as the Yorks are in charge, the 49ers are DOOMED!
PS: The Shanahan watch has officially begun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A very good flow of emotions here today friends.
One thing that impressed me about the process is Sing allowing the finalists to speak to and engage the current staffers.
Whether we see Jimmy as a career mid level coach or not, he's obviously passionate enough about the game to have played and continued to coach for exceptionally long time.
Good or bad, what many of us have accepted and applauded with Sing is his ability to motivate.
He sees this quality in Jimmy and wants his team to play with more passion.
Nolan looked good, acted the part and basically talked from his backside.
Mike grabbed Vernon, got the teams' attention and started some momentum.
Give him the time to build his model.
What Nolan lacked was a PLAN, Sing at least, has one.
Let's see what he can build before we tear it down.
Coach Singletary needs to kick Lowell Cohns' ass. The rest of you naysayers need a halftime speech. Bill Walsh utilizied a HB & FB that could smash mouth as well as catch a long handoff out of the back field a la '84niners. Singletary has been seasoned by some of the best and quite frankly those who think they know better doing their best impression of a shotgun with their mouth need to come out from where the sun don't shine and enjoy the Raye's.
Touche` Razor, Nolan is out, Sing is IN.
We're going into Draft mode now.
Build the Lines, put some meaningful pieces together already.
Best Player Available at a position of NEED would be a great way to start.
Not BPA by concencus Draft Scouting services who crunch statistics.
Find football players, coach them up, learn to be winners.
Matt,
I think some of the [b]younger boys[/b] are getting out of control again.
Just 3 thoughts I have...
1. It's all riding on Singletary's and McLoughlan's shoulders right now and I honestly think they have 11 months to make it work. Judgments are very easy to pass along, lets just wait and see what happens.
2. It amazing how Singletary's smash mouth offense comment was taken so much out of proportion. Everyone thinks he's going to run 4 plays out of 5. That is simply impossible just knowing the fact that he was mentored in some way by Walsh.
3. I've been a Niner for 32 years and we have to accept the idea that we haven't been a QB factory or had WCO philosophy in more than 10 years. This team is following a plan and a vision right now (exactly what Walsh did almost 30 years ago) and that is something that Siefert, Mariucci, Erickson, Nolan didn't do. Some didn't need to, they just followed the base left the genius, the others simply had no clue. This time the vision and philosophy are clear and just blowing everything out of the water after 6 games or just because of an OC hire is simply stupid.
I can't believe all these silly comments, wow. First off, all the people saying the only way to win is to have a 99 Rams or 07 Pats like passing attack are just silly. The way to win is to score more points then the other team, period. Alot of ways to do that.
Second. A power running game lets you control the clock and limit turnovers if your RB doesn't have butter fingers. Those are the things Sing has always been stressing (and why he fired Martz) so I have no clue why people are throwing him under the bus when we haven't even played a game in a month.
Third. People bringing up the WCO as a pass to set up the run are kinda confused I think. I always thought of the WCO as using the pass in place of a power run game. Using short, low risk passes to accomplish the same goals as the run game, control the clock and limit turnovers.
Fourth. And most important. FRANK GORE IS OUR BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER!!! Why would you not want to have the ball in his hands?!?!?! Makes ZERO sense to me. If we had Montana, Rice and Craig then yeah lets go pass happy. But we have Hill, Bruce and Gore. The glory are over, I miss them too but for now FEED FRANK!
Razoreater, that was beautiful, man.
ZURDO that was actually sensible. Something apparently in short supply around here. Very interesting take on vision with previous coaches. I never thought of it that way.
The-Bum you couldn't be more right. It was utilizing a power run game that put us above .500 to finish the season, and Hill was still having great games! And you are right about the WCO, and Walsh even said that the short passes to the backs was indeed their run game.
FEED FRANK! Too right.
Drew that was priceless:Razoreater right on maybe he can have a word with Montana to Clark about his tacky below the belt comments while he is at it-waaay out of line!
Anyone who says that an offense cannot be great at both running and passing does not know much about their 49er history. The offense in the 80's enjoyed a creative passing offense and a tough, physical rushing attack with Craig and Rathman. Check the numbers and watch the films. That's why those offenses could look so imposing.
M to C: Wow, you just joined Terry on the "Pay No Mind" list. How intolerant can you be? I know it is off-limits to discriminate against jews, blacks, and mexicans, but I guess you can tee-off on christians and the elderly with all the stereotyping and ignorance that you like. The black and silver is across the Bay, pal.
I agree with everyone who has stated that we need a great QB to be a dominant offense. I also miss the days of Montana and Young. Does anyone have a suggestion as to who that HOF QB will be for us next year? A draft pick is not going to be that player. Sanchez has one legit year of ezperience and Stafford is going to get some poor coach fired. I don't see anyone in the draft that will be ready to succeed right away. As for FA, I don't see the options, either. We can't bank on having an amazing QB, so the plan is to improve the offense with pieces that are more readily available. Good backs and Lineman are easier to find in FA and the draft, so we build around the run game, and allow the passing game to flourish in the spaces that the run game opens up. It's what you do when you can't depend on a dominant QB and top WR.
Im on board with what Sing is doing.Hes smart by creating continuity.Rathman or Johnson will be waiting for when Raye leaves,this is the sign of a franchise with direction!Im all for power running but we dont want to wear out Frankie and Foster has butterfingers and is a liability.Gimme a steady dose of Gore and Clayton and lets pick up a fullback for Rathman to mold.Oh yea look for J Morgan to be the number one receiver by next year.
I can't wait to see what unfolds through the draft and FA. I still don't think the Niners are far from contention. I hope '09 is a great year!
"My offensive philosophy is more of a traditional one, more of a run to pass, when it really comes right down to it, sometimes you have to pass more, sometimes you have to run more, depending on the clock situation, depending on the score. But if I'm going to go into the game, my philosophy is to run a little bit more than passing and hopefully have a balance, 50-50, but the most important thing for me is to be able to run. You have to know that you can run the football. I'm not trying to outsmart anybody, I'm not trying to be a magician, we are playing football and we need to be able to run the football." Now come on guys ... doesn't this make perfect sense? Get off your panic buttons and let's just see what happens.
I repeat, the same Shanahan that has one playoff win in the last 10 years?? Just say no to retreads.
Haters unite!
In Singletary We Trust.
The "pay no mind" list? But you you must be cheating because by commenting about me proves you read my comments! Must be nice to think yourself as so knowledgable about football. And like your buddy Skeebers and the rest who kiss "Sing's" butt when he pulls his pants down, you're comments clearly show IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY is stll alive and well in America!
You prove with each comment of yours that you aren't anything but a 49er fan so stuck in losing you grasp at straws, are in the dark, and have no idea of what winning really means!
They definitely bring down the intelligence level around here, don't they?
So we're ignorant for seeing the obvious improvement since Singletary took over last year? You, Ms. President of Club Hater, are hilarious! Thanks for the laugh!
So we're suppose to take your word instead of theirs? Players that actually know and have played for the guy? LOL! I've heard it all now.
Quick! I hear Kawakami needs his shoes shined.
PLEASE: Your first sentence really show's how much of a man you are! YEA RIGHT!
It's so funny to read you "sing" kiss butts comment about how great "sing's" sorry explanation of what an offense should be and using Bill Walsh's WCO as some kind of proof that "sing's" Bear's theory of offense will work! Now that's hilarious!!! Bill Walsh would have puked at your comments relating his jewel of an offense to "sing's" putrid Bear's joke! Saying an orange is exactly the same as an apple is new to me!
It's also great comedy reading you "sing" wanna be's morphing this inexperienced HC's saying, right out loud, he wants to go to the great (joking here) Bear's type of offense, into something it's not. Each day that goes by it just gets better and more laughable!
You "sing" kiss butts make my day with your sorry excuses for "sing!" It's better than the comic page! But please, when you draw conclusions using "sing's" mediocrity by comparing it with the GREAT BILL WALSH'S ideas of what a real winning offense was and still is, it makes the Matt's Blog turn into the obituary page!
M to C:
You've made my day!! A 49er faithful who took his rose colored glasses off, put his ears to work, and saw and hears what's REALLY happened to his 49ers! And then comments to us all what is so clear to see if some weren't so kiss butt to "sing" and the Yorks! Now, you like me read these kiss butts morphing "sing" and his Bear's attempt at the single wing offense into Bill Walsh's WCO and actually believing what they write???
You better do like my friends and I did yesterday! We went out and bought new 49er stickers for our vehicles! We put them on the bumper and back windows, but placed them upside down! After all this time of the York's and now the sorry addition of "sing," the time has come to do the obvious! you see, we consider our stickers to be the same as the flag of the 49ers! But when you hang a flag upside down, you send and international distress signal to everybody! It means you can't help yourself or your country (or 49ers) anymore and need help badly! Come rescue us fans!! PLEASE!!!!!!
In case you didn't know...
Did anyone find Terry's comments are long but lack substances? And he's Cohn's #1 fan and smack-ass.
I think Terry is IGGY or one of Iggy's friends. Hey, just a hunch, like a lot of stuff Cohn writes..no facts, just a hunch.
ok, Randy, and all you other Singletarians...
So, if you are a CEO and you are interviewing someone for an executive role, walk through your thought process when: The candidate has, literally, never been successful in the job you are interviewing for...never. Like, never ever.
But you hire him anyways.
Guess what? You are going to get some serious smackdown from your board and your employees. That borders on a fireable offense.
This was NOT a good hire. Stop it guys. You really come off as pretty dimwitted folks.
We've gone from Walsh, Seifert, Mooch,etc, to the OC who almost ran Steve Young out of the league in Tampa.
This isn't defendable. This guy has never, ever, been good at this job. That deserves criticism.
How many Playoff wins do the 49ers under the Yorks have in the last 10 years?? From your comment, you must be senile! Your "sing" had the chance to beat the Cards and even the chance to bring the team to 8 and 8 record! And with a win over the Cards they could have possibly won the division! The win was right in their grasp! But your "sing" is the run out the clock specialist! You know, the Bear's idea of offense!
So there the 9ers were against the Cards, trying to smash mouth the ball into the end zone and failed! And on top of it "sing" (and he had over a minute left) messed it up so bad the clock ran out! Even a High School coach would know what to do! Most NFL teams would have had his last check ready before he took his shower after the last game
Now you'll say "miscommunication between QB and Martz!" Right? The funny thing about "sing's" explanation!? He made sure Martz's was named in the disaster in the same breath of saying he was HC! Kind of like using Martz as one uses a lightening rod! He threw Martz to the wolves right then and there! He knew that Martz would be the angle of the press in why the team lost! Funny thing, GREAT COACHES NEVER use that way of explaining a didaster like that!
Now you'll give me the "he was just named HC excuse?" Right? Well this genius of a HC had been with the team how long? Now you'll say "It was Martz's fault!" Just like your buddy "sing" did publically after a crucial loss!
Give me and others a break! He had plenty of time and had been with the team long enough to win the division because of the mediocre records within the Western Division!
So now it comes down to the REAL TRUTH about "sing's" choice of OC and the other poor coaches he'll pick from the permanent unemployment line of coaches! The guys he picked are door mats. Guys willing to be stepped on to get a job in the game they love!
You see? "Sing" is the worst of all kinds of coaches! HE NEVER TAKES THE BLAME!! He proved it in just the one instance above in what he did to Martz! NFL coaches hate his kind of HC! And that proves the reason the 49ers went through so many interviews with the OC position! "Sing" gives this phony story of how he intelligently took his time searching for the right kind of guy! Battered his brain about it! Really searched what for he needed!
I take what he said like a grain of salt! Your "sing" has a yellow streak down his back the width of a freeway! I don't go by what I SEE from him, or anybody else! I go from what I HEARD!
He's gutless! Just like he was when we romped over him and his beloved Bears at Candlestick on Monday Night Football when they lucked into the playoffs that year and lossed the first game, and we didn't make it!! We scored over and over again, and many were right over him! It even caused Ditka to throw his gum at a fan!
So get behind Mr.gutless if you want! I'll still go by what I hear!
Sorry! I didn't know you were still on the book level of "Dick and Jane!"
The doctor will see you now!
How can you say this wasn't a good hire until you actually see the finished product? Speaking of dimwitted...
Randy, it's called a "track record"
0 for 8 as a coordinator. It's pretty established that Jimmy Raye isn't good at this job.
0 for 8. The numbers -- they do not lie. They tell the story.
Please... He takes over Nolan's struggling team mid-season, yet had plenty of time to turn things around? What about MC's, TC and preseason? You do realize they were 2-5 when Nolan was canned, don't you? You also know that Singletary finished 5-4? Maybe you haters outta give Singletary a full off season to see what he can do, huh?
You're nothing more than a troll in desperate need of some Kleenex.
You are dead on correct Terry. I believe part of the reason nobody wanted to work for Singletary is they saw the way he scapegoated Martz time and time again when Singletary should have taken accountability.
Singletary is a grandstander and self promoter and good coaches aren't going to sign up for that.
And we have Jimmy Raye to prove it.
FYI, The Niners could go 0-16 next year and Randy will still be jumping up and down about the great "Sing".
No credibility at all...
His track record hasn't been the best, although in '00 he had the Chiefs ranked 8th in total offense. He's also had some pretty crappy players to work with in the past as well. I guess we'll see next year how this offense turns out... I'll be here either way. Until then, what's the point of constantly whining?
0-16? Yeah, that's gonna happen.
I guess that type of loser mentality comes from reading Kawakami too much. Did you shine his shoes yet?
I never said they would go 0-16
I was pointing out your utter lack of any objectivity, that's all
You actually think I would still support Singletary if he went 0-16? LOL, congrats on the mimbo award.
Singletary is a self promoter? Are you sure you don't have him confused with your boy Nolan and his suit?
Nothing but irrelevant rhetoric coming from you, I see... I guess I should have expected this from a guy named hibcbc...
Where the Hell is the ignore function when you need one?
The 80s 49ers and Eddie D were derailed by the Salary Cap and a Louisiana Riverboat Gambling indictment Terry.
Eddie did not want to have the team removed from his family of course so the charade began.
We who have been fans before, during and after that period, have remained optimistic through some troubling times.
Donahue was asleep at the switch, the Cap Purge gutted the team, York handed it to Nolan who felt you start your tenure with a QB instead of linemen and defense, and so on and so on.
Now we've transitioned from Dr to Jed, Nolan to Mike, Martz to Raye.
It's part of sports. Change sucks. Nobody wins forever, the enjoyment is the optimism.
When it gets too bleek for some people, they jump back to the winners, or the bandwagon.
If you're a loyal fan, vent and remain loyal.
If not, jump on another bandwagon.
Raye could be lightning in a bottle, Sing could be the next Bill Walsh, who's to say?
Watch and see where it goes. We've been in flux long enough to know it's hard to correct the comedy of errors this franchise has generated.
How many franchises have won 5 SBs? How many are 5-0?
Keep the faith, it's part of being a loyal and devoted fan.
Feel free to vent, that's what we do here.
We can't all be right, we're spectators.
What I want is a change in attitude, Mike has done that.
Step 2 is confidence. Mike was a superstar in this league, he knows how to play and win.
Now he has the chance to lead his own team.
Pat him on the back and applaud his efforts.
His passion for the game is worth a chance IMO.
My guess is, Patrick will thrive with Mike as his leader.
I can only hope Rathman and Raye can bring the same swagger to the offense now.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Niner coaches: seventeen
Votes for Raye: seventeen
Votes for Hue: zero
Wow. What a butt stomping.
Reaction from Instant Baboons: racism, ageism, bigotry, cowardice, phony stats, envy, mouth foam, fear, insanity, hatred.
Reaction from Instant Fans: Goooooo Niners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marc, great post. There's obviously nothing wrong with being upset at all the losses, but being so jaded and bitter as to expect failure and fail to recognize progress is unfortunate, and I truly wonder why a "fan" of that mindset would even continue to follow the team. We do this for enjoyment and entertainment, afterall.
Skeebers, I applaud your attempts to keep the malcontents in line, but it's futile and unnecessary. You can't change them. If you enjoy the exchange with them, then war on, brother. I have started scrolling down as soon as I see their names, and this last week has been the most that I have enjoyed the blog. We're never going to meet up in some digital back-alley and settle this like virtual men, so there is no pointin carrying on the argument. Stray dogs always return if you feed them, and some people feed on conflict. Actually discussing football instead of personal attacks, and shallow, incendiary comments makes the whole experience better, from my perspective.
I think there are great FBs available in FA (Weaver, in particular), and I think we can grab a physical RT somewhere in FA or the first three rounds. If Scotty handles his end, it will be on the coaches and the two extra minicamps. I am optimistic. Hopefully Jimmy Williams is ready to wrok hard, or hopefully they have more plans to upgrade FS. The holes are getting plugged, and the team is getting ready to take a step forward. GO NINERS
You went too far with your last post. Calling other posters racist, ageist, cowards, etc. is wrong. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't make them all those things. The first sign of a weak argument is calling your opposers names and those names you threw out were pretty heavy. Your posts just went down a few notches.
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Skeeber's is showing his real inner thoughts, beliefs, real self and his rage is just an example of Skeebers thinking himself better than anyone else!
When you read his comments over the days it's easy to come to the conlusion others and you just did! The world is unfortunetly filled with Sheeber types!
You have good discernment!
I'm a fan who expresses my mindset on what I see. I also have been taught and believe you NEVER forget the past. If that was done by everyone, no one would ever learn from the mistakes done in the past so they can avoid making them in the now and future! That's just the way it is!
Skeeber's is showing his real inner thoughts, beliefs, real self and his rage is just an example of Skeebers thinking himself better than anyone else!
When you read his comments over the days it's easy to come to the conlusion others and you just did! The world is unfortunetly filled with Sheeber types!
You have good discernment!
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This coming from you? LOL!
You who are, every year, commenting on the "great" moves of the York franchise (and you know who you are) seem to not understand the REAL meaning of being a fan! A fan is one who sees the good AND THE BAD and is free to comment on it! A 49er fan is not like a Raider fan who can do nothing but worship at the Shrine of Al Davis, their god, and thinks every one who doesn't is not a true Raider fan! No matter what he does to destroy that franchise as of late, they worship his moves EVERY year despite the constant mistakes Davis makes!
If a 49er fan is only a fan unless he or she bows and kneels before the Yorks every move, despite the disasters of their years, he/she is like the blind Davis lovers! It also is like putting your hand over the fire over and over again because you think THIS TIME it will be different!
To all who don't like the comments of those who can see the Yorks constant mistakes and don't choose to jump on their bandwagon, especially one that has had the wheels coming off since the Yorks took over the team, I comment to you! Learn what it is to be a REAL FAN before you accuse those who don't think like you of not being REAL FANS!
Don't feed the trolls.
What coach would vote against the old fart Raye when the coach is voting in front of the people who can show him the door!?? Are you really that gullible Skeebers!
My God Skeebers?? No one can be that stupid!! I mean really!? Now I wonder if you aren't Jed York!?
As a longtime Faithful, I've seen plenty of good and bad. I was fed up with the Yorks until they finally fired that idiot, Donahue. Since then, you can't say they haven't tried to improve this team. Handing it over to Jed only reinforces that, not to mention the amount of cash they have forked over to FA's, staff, etc. the last few years.
What I see right now is progress. It would be unfair to Singletary to say he's the wrong guy for the job. He proved last year he deserved the job. For you to say otherwise is ridicoulous. And you can't say he's a failure because he hire Raye. We haven't even seen the offense in action yet!
To Terry: Great posts. I agree with you completely. Unfortunately you are pretty much wasting your time trying to argue wuth the Singletary Cool-Aid drinking crowd. We will see if all the Sing cub members have the guts to admit they were wrong in November when the team is 2-9. My guess is that most will just lie low and disapperr, and the remaining will still make futile excuses for the great Sing.
We'll be here... Question is, will Club Haters be here after Sing's Niners expose all of the needless whining by taking the West? Doubt it.
I'll be with the 49ers as I've been since my dad started taking my brother and I to games back in 1968.
Jimmy Raye? I'm left a bit underwhelmed. On the other hand, a brand name coordinator like Mike Martz didn't league in offense either.
The 49ers are 0-0 in 2009 last I checked. We'll have to wait and see if this was a good hire or bad hire. I don't know how can you pretend to know otherwise.
What are you on!? Shrooms!! Send me some!! It must be nice living in hallucinations when it comes to the 49ers of "sing!? If the 49ers under "sing" would have been in that game, they'd of set the SB record for punts!!! Give us all a break and go hallucinate on the Raiders Blog!!
Watching that game proved "sing's" offensive plans for the 49ers of 2009 to already be a bust!! Both the Cards and the Steelers were NEVER out of the game with their modern attacks!! "sing's" 3 up the middle attack will be a disaster!! We better trade with the Raiders for their punter and a couple of others too boot! Their legs will be worn out by halftime!!
Hey Rick!
You and I see what MOST 49er fans see!! A coming disaster just like Nolan was! And Nolan was tied at the hip with this inexperienced "sing!" Absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE OF OFFENSE SPELLS DOOM AND GLOOM!! I guess we'll just have to take our naps during the game like we have the last 10 years of the York Regime!
I agree with ALL of your posts Rick!
By the way? Wasn't it fantastic to see and hear from the GREAT organiation that the Rooney family has built!!? I could only remember when we had that!!
And now it's been destroyed!!!
"I believe part of the reason nobody wanted to work for Singletary is they saw the way he scapegoated Martz time and time again when Singletary should have taken accountability."
You're grasping for straws here. On the contrary, Singletary was very forthright in his dealings with Martz and said many times that he enjoyed working with him.
You're blind! The best thing the 49ers can do in the draft is draft a lightning rod!! Martz was "sing's" last year!
One thing is WITHOUT A DOUBT! "sing' NEVER let's the buck stop at him!! It's always someone else! That's why Raye is his buddy right now and no decent coach would touch the 49ers!
I'm not on drugs, Terry. But you can do better than the name-calling, come on.
Here's what someone else wrote abour Raye. It sounds closer to my take than yours/
"is not somebody whose name was been tossed around. But that means absolutely nothing. Raye starts with a clean slate. It sounds as if the 49ers are going to go with a meat-and-potatoes approach to offense. It won't be cutting edge. It won't be bold and dynamic. It's going to be straight-forward."
The author - for what it's worth? One Matt M., whose blog we read.
this is the same Terry that was yelling play JTO, JTO is a hall of famer...etc.....
Dose of reality? First, if ANY COACH does well there's always the possibility the guy is going to go somewhere else! OC's, DC's HC's, running back coaches etc., that are worth their salt are always sought for their talents by winning front offices and HC'S! In your comments you ADMIT Raye won't go anywhere else! WHY? Because you know why! He's got nothing to offer a good franchise! And the 49ers right now are a lousy franchise!
Ok! Now that we have that covered! Second, ANY TEAM would like to see anyone of their coaches at any position to be in demand! That means the team is winning or doing well at the position the coach is at! Good teams don't worry about things they have no control over like coaches moving on! That's the coaches choice! Eddie D., Walsh, Siefert and even Mooch constantly dealt with moving coaches. Like good companies don't worry about losing an employee! Good companies always believe they can replace anyone with someone as good if not better!
Third, Raye WASN'T in demand anywhere! If he was he would have been going from team to team and make the final decision who he wanted to be with! If you can't read the handwriting on the wall about the hiring of Raye, I can't help you!
Hate to let you down oneniner! But your lying as usual!
JTO and Smith were and are jokes the 49er franchise tried to pull over fans like you! They're garbage! Just like your buddies "sing" and Raye! But your the kind that keep the Yorks failures alive and well! And worse, You kiss their butts!
Go and be a Raider fan! We REAL 49er fans KNOW we need a change and are SICK and TIRED of the crap idiots like the York's put on the field!