Matt, what do you think the right compensation would be? The # 10 pick? Maybe our # 10 pick and our 2nd rounder for their 1st rounder and Cutler?

Jeez. Then who would be on the block?? With Denver shifting to a 3-4 defense (under new coordinator Mike Nolan .... hmm? that name sounds familiar) could it be Manny Lawson or Parys Haralson, perhaps??

Question: what do you think the right compensation would be? The # 10 pick? Maybe our # 10 pick and our 2nd rounder for their 1st rounder and Cutler?

My response: Cutler was the No. 11 overall pick of 2006, and I think in three seasons he has shown that was a pretty good selection. As for compensation, it's really difficult to say. This isn't like the draft, where picks have a pre-set value. It comes down to finding a middle ground between how much one club wants to get rid of him and how much the other club wants him. If the 49ers could get him at the price you suggested, I'd think they'd have to give that strong consideration. But if you're a Broncos fan, would you be making the same recommendation? I doubt it.

One thing that bears repeating: I don't know that the 49ers are interested.

--Matt M.

As much as I would like Cutler, I can't see what we can offer that can out-do what some other teams can offer. Still, I'd like to see the Niners make some effort just in case the unlikely becomes likely. We'd have a better shot at getting Cutler than we did Warner (though that's not saying much).

Just GIVE them Alex Smith and some belly button lent.

I said it when the Warner debacle started and reports out of Denver had Cutler wanting out, GO GET CUTLER, offer Denver the #10 and anyone not named Staley or Willis, just get it done, How many times do we need to see that a good QB hides a lot of other problems. Young and Garcia both did that in their time here. You get Cutler and the line is better because he gets rid of the ball faster, Gore's got more space, our recievers get better because they have a guy that can get them the ball in a tight window. The defense gets better because it's no longer on the field as long because the qb can sustain drives.

It just makes to much sense NOT to persue.

GO GET CUTLER

I heard the same thing 2nashift. If all they wanted was our 10 and Lawson, I'd take it. Lawson has injury issues and couldn't get on the field on 3rd downs last season, whereas Harylson isn't a world beater but has shown improvement.

I think this is all moot, however. Cooler heads will prevail in Denver. According to ESPN, JC's teammates have been contacting him to let him know how much they want him, how important he is to the team, and (just like warner w/AZ)I don't believe JC wants to leave Denver or give the appearence of letting his teammates down.

I'm not sold on Cutler. He shares just as much blame in this whole fiasco as the Broncos. He's a professional athlete. To get this butt-hurt over trade talk is rediculous.

That said, Moss for a 4th rounder, Cassle for a 2nd. There is NO way we give up more than our 2nd to get him. Remember, we are going to have take back his bloated rookie salary and would have to cut Smith or Hill and eat their salaries too. If you are going to give up the 10th pick to get Cutler, why not just take Sanchez or try and trade down and take Freeman.

Offer them the 10th pick and Alex Smith for Cutler. The Broncos have lost some leverage. with the 10th the can pick Sanchez. But its unrealistic that they would accept such a trade

Though seriously, the Broncos are idiots for ever letting it come to this. the dude is like 25 and just threw for 4,000 yards. Seriously, reading the Denver blogs a lot of broncos fans are calling cutler a 2nd rate QB. They don't know what a 2nd rate QB is until they lived through JT OSullivan and Cody Pickett, etc. Ask the bears fans what they though of Rex Grossman. the broncos dont know how good they had it

It all comes down to compensation. A Couple of firsts? No. Other than that, let's negotiate. Stop saying we'll trade Smith and Jennings and the rest of the roster junk. Warner was just money and cap space. No real long term roster impact.

Why do we keep bringing back guys we've cut to be backups to the PS? Try something new or get them on the field. These aren't all pros. Contribute or get a new warm body.

There are two entirely different accounts of how the conference call went that was supposed to set right any misunderstandings that had arisen from the Broncos' effort to trade for Matt Cassell. My impression from that whole debacle is that Jay Cutler is a whiny, unprofessional, baby. Cutler doesn't seem to get it that it is his job to please the coach, not the other way around. Even if Cutler's side of the story is completely true, and Josh McDaniels has been completely dishonest, disrespectful and unprofessional in dealing with him, Cutler still needs to be in quarterback meetings learning McDaniel's system. That is what a highly paid professional is supposed to do. My perspective is that he is more trouble than he is worth. Personally, I think he is overrated to begin with and I do not want to part with any draft picks or players of significant value to get him.

To me, Warner and Cutler have big differences... Warner has two time SB appearance (winning one) and a franchise QB who just had an excellent season in 2008. Taking Warner will take away our opponent (in the same division) best weapon and it is a good business to deal with. On the other hand, Cutler still has not proved it he is much better when compare with Shawn Hill (game winning percentage). Why do we want to take Cutler? unless the 49ers really know something so special that separate him from others.

Why Warner and not Cutler? Warner is pro, Cutler is a prima donna. I completely understand why Josh McDaniels wanted Cassell so bad.

Well, yeah, he knows how important he is to his teammates. Same can't be said for McDaniels who somehow feels a second string QB has more value. Insults of that caliber is hard to forgive.

Cutler is worth it. We'll be in the playoffs for the next 10 years. Do it now!

Cutler went to the Pro Bowl for the AFC! Big deal, so did Vince Young a few years ago! You all may feel free to flame me for saying this, but I don't think Jay Cutler is any better than Alex Smith. Pair Smif (mispelled intentionally) with Jeremy Bates and Mike Shanahan for a couple years, and I think he could have thrown for the same amount of yards, interceptions, and poor winning percentage as Jay Cutler ... if not better.

If the Broncs want a QB back (Alex Smith reunited with Nolan?), Niners would need to get a 3rd teas involved. Maybe Vernon Davis to Cleveland (replace Winslow), Brady Quinn to Denver, Cutler to Niners, assorted draft picks balance out inequities.

Most interesting idea yet.

Very very interesting. However in this scenario, I think I would prefer to trade VD straight up for Brady Quinn (over Cutler)

Generally, I hate the 'what if' game. But I have to think that if we had waited before hiring Singletary, we'd probably have Shanahan as coach. I think if we had Shanahan as coach, we'd be first in line for Cutler right now.

I'm all for trading to get Jay Cutler, but what do we give up in return? What do we have that could be of any interest to Denver? That is the question I have. As much as I would love it, I don't see it happening!

LOL, my sentiments exactly!

Jake Plummer:
Twice had QB rating over 90 with broncos under Shannahan, cutler has yet to do that.
2004 Season with Broncos:

27 TDs
20 INTs
4089 yrds

Would we want to trade anything valuable for Plummer in his prime? I wouldn't, being good enough to win some games isn't the same as being good enough to win championships. We have too many other needs and Culter has yet yo prove he is a winner.

As for Cutler:

Denver fans don't seem to mind him leaving....

New head coach tried to trade him....

How'd he do in the clutch with the playoffs on the line last year?
Three straight games with QB rating below 75 (all loses), with 2 picks against SD to seal playoff collapse.

He's gone to the Pro Bowl ONCE people, and has yet to win when it matters. Let's not forget the way he has handled the trade situation either. Not to mention we still don't have a RT or proven receiving core.

Successful QBs in this league have developed with the same team and learned the system. They are as much a product of the talent around them and the consistency and stability of their system as anything. Some take 3-4 years to develop.

If Alex Smith was given 2 years to develop in the same system under the tutelage of someone like Shannahan, surrounded by a stable OLine, while Cutler had been thrown into the starting role day 1 (at 21 years or age) for a team that went 2-14 (both OT wins against AZ) the year before, would people be screaming for us to trade for Smith? How did Steve Young do in Tampa? How'd he do when he got to learn under Montana with Walsh as his guide? These things are not a simple as "he went to the Pro Bowl", and it would be a huge mistake to think that Cutler can be plugged in and win for us.

Alex Smith has shown guts and moxy, let's finish building the rest of the team and give him a real chance to succeed. If he doesn't pan out, fine, but NO ONE knows what kind of NFL Qb Smith can be at this point. We went after Warner because he is Super Bowl proven AND he is going to be around for a year or two at most. They want to give Smith a chance to excel, and learning under Warner would have been ideal. But make no mistake, Warner has been to and WON the Super Bowl, Cutler has shown he is at least as good as Jake Plummer...

They are not the same.

Cutler is a PRODUCER, anyone who says he is a 2nd Rate QB hasn't watched him play the last couple years. His health issue would be my only concern, otherwise, you put this guy on the 49ers, with a much better defense and running game than he EVER had in Denver and good things are going to happen. WHEN IS THE IDIOT IN THE 49ERS FRONT OFFICE GOING TO REALIZE THIS TEAM IS A FRANCHISE QB AWAY FROM BEING A SERIOUS CONTENDER???? HE CONTINUES TO FAIL MISEARABLY AT SOLVING THIS ISSUE, THIS GUY IS FALLING IN HIS LAP!!!! GET HIM!

Read the post from RLB right above yours. What has Cutler produced? In my opinion, he has not produced enough to justify the 49ers giving up anything of real value to acquire him.

"I think if we had Shanahan as coach, we'd be first in line for Cutler right now."

Except that Pat Bowlen and his new front-office minions would rather trade Cutler to the Lions for a roll of athletic tape and two jockstraps than hand a talented young QB to the coach he just canned.

Solid logic Ed E. I predict Cutler goes to Carolina, straight trade for Julius Peppers.

25 TDs and 18 interceptions is nothing to write home about. Obviously he was in a throw happy offense, but the fact remains the Brocos missed the play offs. I'll pass on QBs with a million yards thrown plus a million turn overs because it ususally equals zero playoff appearances. I'm sure if Mike Martz becomes an OC somewhere he will be interested. Give me Hill, Ball Control and PWilly manning a top 7 defense and I'll look forward to watching the Niners ball deep into playoffs. Thanks.

Sounds good...except that NFL.com's Vic Carucci is reporting Peppers may be headed to the Patriots for the second-rounder NE got from KC in the Cassel/Vrabel trade.

Let us just imagine we get Cutler for our 10th overall pick...

Would we be happy with that trade if on Draft Day one of those top OTs slipped to the 10 spot?

I wouldnt be. I say > Forget Cutler

(the move is undoutably being considered by the niners because they apparently consider everything..)

Cutler is a total STUD. He's a potential Favre type - and he completes passes for yards and touchdowns in THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE (as they say on the telly). I don't think much of the 49ers "brain trust" if you'll excuse the expression, having accused them of being morons or such on this site. But if Cutler is actually available (and I still find that a bit hard to believe) and they don't go after him, really - you'd have to conclude they all had some sort of organiz brain disfuntion. I see Detroit, Seattle and Jacksonville having more to offer in the draft than the 49ers do, if they want Cutler. But I think the most aggressive team would get him. HE'S A QUARTERBACK ferheavinsake! Give up a 1 and a 2 and a 3 if you have to (I'm getting musical here). Over half the first round picks NEVER make it in the NFL (including the "top 10" - hello Alex). There's no sure thing, but MAN, would a Cutler trade be a boon to "the program"!!!!!!!!!!!!! And by the way, what is "belly button lent"? Some sort of religious thing?

"If 49ers wanted Warner, why wouldn't they be interested in Cutler?"
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For one big reason: Warner was a FA. Cutler isn't.

GO GET CUTLER!!!

Well reasoned and although I have doubts about Alex being able to pull out of his tailspin, he deserves a chance if he shows "it". Cutler is talented no doubt but he seems to have "issues".I don't see us trading multiple picks here...S.Hill is a trooper and a scrapper -I wholeheartedly believe he is capable of bringing us to post season while we build a winning culture and picking a sleeper(Greg Micheli !!!)this year and/or the franchise QB many are hoping for next year seems more prudent!

I meant to say "organic brain disfunction" in my above post. And here I was, making fun of the belly button guy. Goes to show what a stupid wise guy I am on occassion. BUT, just one question on belly button lent, do you have to give up watching football?

Michael Lombardi from NFP wrote...You’d have to believe that the Jets, Bucs and 49ers have all called and offered their first-round picks for Cutler. It’s not too difficult to feel that the 49ers could improve by trading their 10th overall pick for him. The Jets have to be thinking they couldn’t get a player who could do what Cutler could do for them with their 17th pick. The Bucs’ defensive coordinator is Jim Bates, who knows Cutler well from his son Jeremy, who coached Cutler the past two years. The time is now for these teams to seize the moment and make the move to get him.

GO GET CUTLER!!

LMAO!!!

They're gonna want compensation in the form of high draft picks and/or one of our starters. WOMP, not gonna happen.

Hi Matt, I read your blogs all the time, I held my tongue back on saying this earlier because I figured you already knew this.. now I'm starting to wonder If you did. But the 49ers weren't willing to pay Warner 14-16$million a year, they just wanted to make the Cardinals have to pay more money. Basically bidding on the auction and forcing the Cardinals, their division rivals to pay more. It was a smart move, I figured you didn't say anything because you didn't want the 49ers to look bad to the Cardinals for doing something like this.

P.S. This whole blog was pointless because we know the 49ers didn't have the balls to pull off a cassell trade then why would they have them for cutler? We are just not that type of organization anymore. AND you said it yourself, the 49ers aren't even that interested in Cutler to begin with.

This theory was discussed before Warner even visited, and, McCloughan denied that was our intention on a radio interview. And to clarify, Matt said that he didn't know what level the Niners are interested. They could be very interested or not at all.

no I think the niners were willing to pay 14-15 million, but not 19 million for what basically amounts to a 1 year deal.

I know this is going to be tough, but I'm gonna ask many of you to THINK FROM AN DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. Do you trust Mike Shanahan? I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't, he's been an outstanding offensive coordinator and head coach in the NFL. And he was willing to trade up in the draft to take Cutler, doesn't that say something?

Many of you are willing to give Alex Smith another chance because he is so young, well, Jay Cutler is just as young, and has already seen success in the NFL.

With the #10 pick, if you are looking at OT, you are looking at A. Smith or M. Oher. Both of these guys have red flags regarding their work ethic and character, a risk with the #10 pick. Not to mention, the Niners would be placing them at RT.

And for some of you, why would many of you opt for picking up M. Sanchez or J. Freeman, an unproven QB in the draft, over someone you know has the skills and still has a decade worth of starting time left.

If all it takes is the #10 pick, get it done.

Thanks Matt for stirring up the Kool Aid (Warner) again. Matt got you guys hook, line & sinker. Matt that was too easy! What a waste of space & time on the MM blog. Just like the Warner talk when he came in for a visit a couple of weeks ago I thought to myself "NO WAY THIS HAPPENS!" It's deja vu all over again. Guys let's talk about something that we know WILL happen & that's the #10 pick in the 1st round.

Because of the ineptitude of 49ers decision making recently, the 49ers should take a different approach to potential candidates. They should ask themselves what would their division opponents want them to do. If the answer, in the case of Cutler, is the seahawks, Rams and Cardinals are hoping the 49ers don't go after Cutler and keep Shaun Hill as their starting QB, then they should go after Cutler.

Exactly Finalyst, those 3 teams would be COMPLETELY P*SSED if the 49ers got Cutler because they know they would finally have a QB that can stretch the field and score from anywhere and they would have to pay attention to someone besides Frank Gore.

Ronnie-Fresno,
4,500 Yards and 25 TD's, THAT's PRODUCTION! Do you realize Joe Montana never threw for 4,000 yards in a season in his career and Steve Young did it twice and was over 300 yards from 4,500. Don't DENY that Cutler can play and produce because he can at an ELITE Level, especially when everyone knew after all their injuries that he was going to have to throw the ball last season. Shannahan obviously liked him, that is good enough for me.

If you were the Bronco's, what would you require in order to give up Cutler? It's going to take more then just #10. Everyone is saying go for it, but next year come this time, when we don't have a stud Right Tackle, an improved pass rush, and no 1st round pick next year either, you may not be all that thrilled with a Cutler acquisition.

Trading entire drafts are not great...see how that worked out so well for the Saints (Ricky Williams) and the Vikings (Hershel Walker). Actually, it worked out great, for the other team. I think we should just hold onto our picks and see what's availible in the draft

No, I believe for belly button lent you have to give up wearing a shirt.

There is no crystal ball here. Hill has better presence in the pocket than Smith -- but his arm strength is a hindrance. Smith, even before his injury, had a slow release and threw behind his receivers (or at their feet) far too often, and had that certain deer-in-the-headlights look that doesn't translate to greatness in a QB. Cutler has an arm, and some mobility, and some experience throwing for yardage and TD's in the NFL. I think they should **try** to get him, but since their needs are still vast, I would only **get** him if they could work out something of a steal.

It is probably moot -- I can't think Denver would not ry to cool his jets and get him back. Who are they going to start?

Of course the dream scenario is take a OT at 10, make other great picks including a mid round QB who after a couple years watching from the bench tuns into a Montana/Brady clone, with or without supermodel girlfriend.

Question: If you were the Bronco's, what would you require in order to give up Cutler?

My response: If you were the Broncos, wouldn't you wait until you get a quarterback you feel is at least as good as Cutler before getting rid of him? Right now, the Broncos have Chris Simms and Darrell Hackney on their roster. --Matt M.

Your comments about the OTs that will be available around the 10th overall pick in the drafts are noted. I dont like Oher at 10 either. I do not watch too much college ball, and I will continue to check out the guys in this years draft. I do like our pick. Its seems like we will have a few good options and wont have to drop top dollar .

I think someone else mentioned getting a GB late in the draft. I have no problem drafting a qb late in the draft or even next year. That way there will be less pressure on him as he develops for a few years.. hopefully.

What about Raji from boston college? Although I do not like boston college. This guys is supposed to be good, but M Kiper has him going 12th.

Jon in SoCal,

That's exactly my take about trading for Cutler. Besides there's other teams that would be alot more attractive & could probably give up more in a trade. The 1 thing everybody's seems to be missing is the Broncos have not given Cutler & his agent permission to talk to other teams about a trade so it's moot point isn't it?

It isn't going to cost the whole draft for Cutler if we go after him. Look at what teams are getting for players right now. Cassel went for a second round pick, and it is being reported Peppers might get tradedfor the same second round pick. Teams do not have to trade tons of picks for him because 1) No one will do it and 2) Everyone is watching the drama and the other teams know Cutler wants out and thatdrives down the price. I think it would be possible to get him for a possible combo of a second and a fourth or a second and a conditional pick. Look if he comes at the right price great, he will make our team better, if he is too expensive then we will bow out. The one sure thing about our front office is that they value having draft picks, they might not always use them wisley but they like having them and they wont leverage an entire draft on Cutler.

Cutler has the physical skills, and can make every pass required. He is accurate and has arm strength. He has produced: 4500 yards last yr, and 45 tds the last two years. Not to mention he is a competitor. He played 2007 with diabetes and did not even know it. In 2008 he learned to treat his condition, and threw for 4500 yards.

This has not translated to wins for Cutler. But, the broncos' defense has been horrible (and will probably continue to be so with Nolan) and he had a revolving door of running backs. I think if you pair Cutler with a good running back and solid defense, you have a sure playoff team.

The 9ers do not have a QB on the roster that even has the potential to be as good as Cutler has been. So I wouldn't think twice about giving up the #10 for Cutler. How about we throw in Roman? Thats a Nolan guy. #10 and Roman for Cutler... do it McCloughan.

Look at the Rivers-Manning trade... The cost for Eli was, 2 #1's, a #3 and a #5. The Bronco's are no way going to give up Cutler for a #2. They'd have no QB. The only way I see this happening would be on draft day, if their player, prob either Stafford or Sanchez was available at #10, we'd give up the draft pick, probably along with next years #1 and something else for Cutler. Would you do that ?

The Cassel trade was a bit fishy, but, keep in mind the Chiefs have to pay the guy nearly $15 million this year, and the Patriots wouldn't have wanted the 3rd pick in the draft anyway, too costly.

Does anyone want to chip in some money to send Cutler some food?

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p57/vegasgoodfella/wahmburger_frenchCries.jpg

Nothing better than a Waaaaaaaamburger and some French Cries!!

Just A Fan, thoughts?

It's clear that Cutler would be an upgrade over Hill, but by how much. So the question is how much are the Niners willing to give up for that upgrade when there are other, more pressing needs to fill. I say pull the trigger if the price isn't too steep. I figure Alex Smith would have to be included in any deal, because if you get Cutler, the Alex Smith experiment is done. So if you could get away with sending a 2nd round pick and Smith, then I'd say you have to go for it, but I don't think offering much more than that makes a lot of sense.

The Manning trade was years ago, you have to look at recent trades to get a better gage of todays moves. No one is going to give up two #1's, a #3 and a #5 for Cutler. The question is going to be how bad is this rift. If it gets to the point where Cutler just refuses to step foot onto the field and doesn't learn McDaniels system then the Broncos would be forced to go highest bidder. Now that may be us with the tenth pick, and that would be fine. glorydays put it nicely when he said Cutler gives us a great shot at the playoffs which is not something you could say for that 10th pick. Would I want to draft Stafford or Sanchez with that pick, no. But I would draft Cutler with it.

Riiiight, #10 and Roman for Cutler... Why don't we also give our 2nd rounder to the Ravens for Ed Reed, next years 1st rounder to the Ravens for Suggs, and maybe this years 4th rounder and Shantae Spencer to the Texans for Andre Johnson... Championship...

PatW, That would be great, make the calls.

i really like Jay Cutler. I don't know if the Niners will be able to aquire him without giving up more then he is worth. I think the best thing for our team is to move forward with the Smith Hill competition. I believe that both Smith and Hill have a better chance of getting the Niners to the playoffs with a new tackle, a better pass rush, and an extra offensive weapon, than Cutler on our team without the ability to give him those things because of what we'd have to give for him. It would be nice, but I'm excited about Smith/Hill in '09. I am with Maiocco on this one too. Do we have what they want, and will we give it to them?

Just wanted to update my post of two days ago, in which I reported Jonas Jennings, Mark Roman and Isaac Bruce are not expected to take part in the minicamp at the end of the week.

Jennings has been told he does not fit into the team's plans, while Roman has been given permission to find a trade. They, essentially, are not welcome at the voluntary minicamp.

Bruce, however, has not been asked to stay away. He is contemplating retirement, and is not expected to attend. --Matt M.

As much as we would all love for the 49ers to trade for Cutler it's just not going to happen. The great 49ers franchise that we were all custom to watching for years is GONE. I know we never needed to go out & get a great QB in Eddie D's days as owner but if eddie D. was the owner today, I guarantee that the 49ers would go get a very talented QB in Jay Cutler at any cost. Franchise QB's dont just grow on trees & here is one just waiting to get plucked. If I was Jed I would be on the phone right this second offering the Broncos Alex Smith & our 1st rd pick. But like I said the 49ers owners of today dont have the mentality of win at any cost. Thats why the patriots are going after good players like Peppers because they want to win at any cost & that my fellow 49ers fans is how we used to have it, but not any more.

You also have to look at contracts. Cassel has a 1 year franchise contract. He has to sign a mega extension with KC, be redesignated at 15+, or he's a free agent next year. Value goes down. Cutler, according to the people want to trade for him, is an elite, All-Pro, Franchise QB that is the difference between the middle of the worst division and the playoffs. Did I mention he still has 3 years left on his original 6 year 48 million rookie contract. Good "value". Gonna take more than a second to get him.

I think Cutler's a winey B!@#$ and would be embarrassed if he were our QB. Hill has done nothing in game time situations to make me think he's ne worse than Cutler and he's a man. Cutler's a baby.

Why are they waiting to release Jennings?

As a side note, I am getting tired of hearing people in the media and on these sites call Cutler a whiner and tell him he needs to grow up. I don't know anyone who doesn't have a crappy day at the office and not complain about it for a week. If anyone here or in the media had to put up with losing two bosses they really liked and respected then having them replaced by a guy who does not respect him, who tries to dump him, then lies to them about it they would want to change jobs as well. He had a great season last year. But all i keep hearing is that he is 17-20 in career record. Yeah, he had a HORRIBLE defense, SEVEN running backs and a little type 2 diabetes to contend with and guess what, he led them to the second best offense in the league. When McDaniels took over in his press conferance he actually stated he would fix what was wrong on the offense. If that wasn't a sign of things to come then i dont know what is. You are taking over the number two offense, the number 29 defense and you are going to fix the offense? Cutler would have to work with this man very close all year long, after he knows he does not respect him or want him. I don't know what has been said in those meetings but it cant be good if the situation has only gotten worse after each one. People complain to high heaven when Johnson from accounts takes their yogurt out of the fridge but Cutler needs to grow up after the disrespect he has been given. People are way off base on this one.

Doesn't your final statement contradict your own argument? "Would I want to draft Stafford or Sanchez with that pick, no." Then why would the Bronco's make the trade? The Cassel trade isn't realistic, and I don't know there isn't more to that. Matt Schaub, after playing in a handful of games, was worth 2 #2's. Cutler is a proven quarterback. You have to put yourself in the Bronco's shoes and ask yourself if YOU would make the trade if you were them.

maybe the 49ers could be part of a 3 way trade to get Cutler. Maybe send the #10 pick to Cleveland, Cleveland sends Anderson and a pick to Denver and the 49ers end up with Cutler.

Yes Alaska you complain if you have a bad day at work but you don't go to your boss and tell them to reprimand Johnson for stealing your yogurt unless your a baby. You go to Johnson yourself... relating to football you don't whine about your situation you prove everyone wrong and play football better than Cassel or anyone else in the league. If he were a man he'd take it as fuel and do his best to prove the trade speculations and his coach;s doubt wrong. Just my opinion I guess.

Cutler/Daniels disaster reminds me of the Donahue/Mooch/TO disaster. The sole playmaker decides to set fire to the franchise, and nobody in charge sees it coming or knows what to do. McDaniels had a big job already. Now its worse, plus he's got the media circus in town. His tenure as coach might have been torpedoed before his first training camp.

McDaniels is a Belly Cheat disciple. The conversation went poorly because I am sure McDaniels wasn't listening. All it probably would have taken was McDaniels saying that he listened to a Cassel trade offer and that he isn't trying to actively trade him now. I am sure he said screw you. I took a guy who hasn't started a game since high school and made him the Man. Players are meat to egomaniacal coaches

PatW, No I am not contradicting myself. I said if i were the 49ers I would not pick Stafford or Sanchez but the Broncos might. The Broncos have a disgrunteled QB who no longer wants to play for them and McDaniels has had success with young inexperienced QBs so they might like the idea of getting rid of Cutler and bringing in a top notch rookie QB to replace him, one without the bad blood.

PatBU, Cutler has gone to talk to McDaniels and it has gotten worse. And by the way, how has he whinned? How many press releases has he made? How many times has he gone on camera with tears in his eyes over this? Can someone link me to it if it is out there? He has told the team he is unhappy, he has told the team his issues, he has asked the team for a trade. He has not been holding press conferances and complaining to the media. The media are the ones digging into this and not letting it be an internal matter and then they call him a whiner. I am not saying they are wrong to get to the bottom of the story, but it is wrong to take internal conversations and catagorize them as whining. So i guess the difference is that when you have a disagreement with your boss it doesn't get reported by 56 media outlets, maybe you would be called a whiner too.

Maybe Nolan can convince the Broncos to trade for Roman. Hah

Matt:

Off topic, but what has gotten into Wide Receivers these days??!!! Donte Stallworth just killed a pedestrian and his arrest may be any moment now. Plaxico Burress' run-in with the law. Matt Jones. Rae Carruth. Antonio Bryant. Randy Moss. Steve Smith and his sucker punch. etc, etc. ...I'm old enough to remember back when WR's were class acts. Jerry Rice, Paul Warfield, Harold Jackson, Lynn Swann, Cliff Branch, Steve Largent. Those guys were heroes of mine as I was growing up.

-Ender

It's not just WR. Tank Williams. Ray Lewis. Lots of NFL players get in trouble with the law. That doesn't count the ones who get shot.

A good QB in the NFL has to be supremely confident. It follows that he must have the highest opinion of himself and his abilities. Cutler has already done what so many other First Round picks only dream about: he's proven he's a Pro Bowl caliber NFL QB. So, McDaniels is going to show him who's boss? I'm sorry, how many wins does McDaniels have as Head Coach? If he wants to know how hard it is to win as a first time head coach without a decent NFL QB, he can just go down the hallway to Nolan's office. If Cutler goes, McDaniels loses games, loses the team and loses his job. At some point, maybe he will realize this.

Here are some very interesting stats to chew on....

Jay Cutler (2008)
ATT.616 PCT.62.3 YDS.4,526 TD.25 INT.18 RAT.86.0

Shaun Hill (2008)
ATT.288 PCT.62.8 YDS.2,046 TD.13 INT.8 RAT.87.5

Now For The Numbers Comparison... Hold on to your Hats!!!

If you do the math and give Hill the same amount of pass attempts that Cutler had in 2008....
Your lookin like this... Ready?

ATT.616 PCT.62.8 YDS.4,296 TD.27 INT.17 RAT.87.5

BAAAAM!!! Pretty Crazy Right?
AND THE FINAL QUESTION IS.... Who would make a trade for the same Quarterback? And the Verdict..... Lets keep our draft picks and our QB... Thank You and Good Night!

Hi Matt, Cutler talk is heating up and I think most of us feel it would point the team in the right direction if he were obtained. However there are teams that have more ammunition, those being the Browns and Lions. This McDaniels sure is starting on the wrong foot, and did I mention his defensive coordinator, the guy who can't remember if his address starts with 34 or 43. I think we could get Quinn or Anderson from the Browns, but is that really any better than what we have?

In case you dont quite get it...

Jay Cutler (2008)
ATT.616 PCT.62.3 TDS.4,526 TD>25 INT.18 RAT.86.0

Shaun Hill (2008)....(With Cutlers Pass Attempts)
ATT.616 PCT.62.8 YDS.4,296 TD.27 INT.17 RAT.87.5

In case you dont quite get it...

Jay Cutler (2008)
ATT.616 PCT.62.3 YDS.4,526 TD.25 INT.18 RAT.86.0

Shaun Hill (2008)....(With Cutlers Pass Attempts)
ATT.616 PCT.62.8 YDS.4,296 TD.27 INT.17 RAT.87.5

Sorry, correction made on yards....

Anyway,
Lets just be happy with Hill....

Ask Cutler if he'd like some cheese with his whine.

Joe Montana and Steve Young were never whiners, but winners. I'd rather stick with Shaun Hill and invest in a drafted Quebee.

I like Culters' moxie, but I like my Draft position more.
Let teams like the Jets/Bucs clamour about compensation over Cutler.
We need too many pieces to complete our puzzle and Defense is Denvers' biggest need.
If we part with 10 Nolan gets 2 major defensive options with picks 10/12.
Don't feed the frenzy.
Denver has a malcontent on their hands by their own stupidity. Let them take a hit while we stand pat and hold the pick in front of them.
I see major benefits in the value of pick 10 to other teams looking to trade up.
If we were fortunate enough to see Crabtree fall in our laps I think that would be a nice problem to have.
Denver is screwed in the sense that their plans to move Cutler got leaked and they lost all credibility at the bargaining table.
They could have someone throw an offer their way, but why overspend?
Do you honestly think they can afford a malcontent in their locker room at the QB position? Let 'em twist.

More stats:
Cutler 616 pass attempts and sacked 11 times. That means 1 sack every 56 passes.
Hill's 288 and 23...1 sack every 12.5 passes.
And poor JTO, 220 and 32...1 sack every 6.8 passes.
So Cutler played behind a much better OL too.
The Niners still should try to get Cutler, but shouldn't get into bidding wars.

Let's put him in the Hall of Fame. JVI, look at the numbers comparison that Red Blood put together. Jay Cutler has a great arm, but so does JaMarcus Russell. Jay Cutler was a young quarterback playing for the AFC in the Pro Bowl, but so did Vince Young. He stunk over a three game stretch with the playoffs on the line. He's acting like a spoiled, entitled loser because his coach isn't kissing his behind. I don't want him. If we did trade for him, he wouldn't stay past the end of his contract anyway because he is proving right now, by missing McDaniels' offensive installation classroom meetings, how much of a team player he is. Shaun Hill deserves a chance to prepare a whole offseason as a starter. He's earned it. Alex Smith deserves a chance to redeem himself. He's earned it by sticking around and eating a paycut. Neither one of those guys are going to cost any draft picks. Great job on the numbers comparison Red Blood Gold Veins. Let Jay Cutler be somebody else's problem.

Cutler.....
forget about it!! This is a trench draft. We need guys who are gonna mash people! You give our QB's another OT that plays as good as our Staley did last year and it won't matter who is back there. The QB is not a problem. It appears nobody is listening to Coach Sing. He is not giving up a draft choice on a QB, Cutler or no Cutler. It's not going to happen.
We have a guy that wins right now. Last we heard he was trout fishing...not whining about being a pro athlete and the ramifications and the out and out cut throat business known as the NFL. Warner was a free Agent and a man! Cutler has a team that is paying him 50mill for 6 years and he has his little panties in a bunch. I think MM baited this blog with those headlines and his little spiel and had a disclaimer along with it so he could watch the chaos on his blog. Evil that MM...EVIL!

jay cutler is a franchise qb by every definition of the word. denver has got to be absolutely nuts! the guy has a true passion, fire, and he can REALLY play. you go after a guy like warner and not after cutler? it is a no brainer the way i see it. he's certainly worth multiple draft picks, remember what san diego gave up for the right to draft ryan leaf? remember we made alex a number one overall? i would go all out to get this guy... draft picks are "potentials", cutler is proven. go and get him!

Ill tell you why were not interested in Cutler,because our front office sucks!Mc Clueless could never pull something off like that.The Niners should just stick with their plan of overpaying for other teams backups and running Gore into the ground.Cant wait for next season another debacle of an offense starved of playmakers..Just wathcing the 93 championship vs the cowgirls..God it maked me sick what has happenned to this franchise.

The 9ers need to get Cutler!! This guy is a true franchise QB who's presence alone would instantly make the team better. If McSing truly want to run the ball like they say, than they better get a proven QB with a good arm who can stretch the field and make the deep throw accurately while getting the ball out fast to avoid sacks. Frank Gore is going to have a tough time running against defenses that are consistently stacking 8 in the box and blitzing the majority of the time because there isn't much of a threat of Hill or Smith consistently connecting down the field.

With the type of squad the 9ers have they need to get a deal done with the Broncos. We really don't know what we have with Morgan or Hill until there is a QB who can maximize their potential. If anyone is doubting what Cutler brings to the table than they need to do a little research on the guy to find out that this guy is the real deal. He is a true athlete with the speed, strength, and accuracy that the 9ers are lacking. The draft has always been and will continue to be somewhat of a hit or miss type of deal. I would prefer to get a sure thing in Cutler than a maybe player at #10. We have the cap space to work out a new deal and the draft picks necessary to make it happen..... that's probably why management won't get it done..... it makes way too much and they have not shown much common sense up to this point.

Ill tell you why were not interested in Cutler,because our front office sucks!Mc Clueless could never pull something off like that.The Niners should just stick with their plan of overpaying for other teams backups and running Gore into the ground.Cant wait for next season another debacle of an offense starved of playmakers..Just wathcing the 93 championship vs the cowgirls..God it maked me sick what has happenned to this franchise.

My first question is why did Denver want to get rid of Cutler and obtain Cassell to begin with if Cutler is a franchise QB?

What do they know that we don't know? Josh McDaniels is no idiot and I wonder what he is thinking? I am at a loss to answer this question but before we try to obtain him I want to know why they want to get rid of him?

One single reason. New HC love to have "their" guy as QB. McDaniels took Cassel and groomed him to be a player comfortable in his system. For the most part, Cassel is a known quantity to build around.

Let me get this straight - you are saying if we had the chance to acquire a QB like Cutler you would rather pass and go with Hill and a draftee instead? Embarrassing.

No matter what stats some of you try to pull, Cutler>>>>>Hill

Shaun Hill is a backup QB at best, some of you have lost your minds.

This whole thread is another pointless fishing trip anyways, never going to happen, just like the Warner waste of time. When are we going to start discussing WTF is going on with this organization. You know like, what exactly are we planning to do to improve what was a very mediocre to poor team last year. The other teams in our division are making some moves, we have added another mediocre WR.

The important point to remember here is IF Denver trades Cutler...what do they need in exchange? It's not draft picks...it's a QB! McDaniels has a guy he believes can get Denver back in the playoffs...he's not about to trade him away unless he can get another QB who has similar abilities. So, pls, folks...before you continue your tirade against our front office, put yourself in McDaniel's shoes. Why would you want to deal w/SF? We don't have a QB he covets...and he's not about to roll the dice hoping he can draft one who can fill Cutler's shoes. A much more likely trading partner would be a team like the Browns...who have two QB's they'd be willing to part with.

Comparing Cutler and Hill in a full season doesn't even make sense. They have COMPLETELY different games and are defended totally different. Shaun Hill isn' t going to throw for more than 4,000 yards in a season quite simply because he will not have enough attempts to do so. The PROBLEM with Hill is that he can't stretch the field and score from anywhere on the field like Cutler can. Every 49ers scoring drive under Hill is a 10 play plus drive which leaves LITTLE room for error and puts a lot of pressure on the offense to score everytime they have the ball because with Hill the 49ers will have limited possessions every game because he is a clock killer which is great as long as you are scoring. Jay Cutler brings physical skills that defenses HAVE TO RESPECT that Hill quite simply doesn't have. Shaun Hill over a 16 game season is going to have stats like 3,300 yards, 60+ completion percentage, 15-16 TDs, and 11-12 INTs and ZERO TD passes over 60 yards.

Remember, there is a REASON Shaun Hill has been a "Career Backup" and Singletary knows it and that is why he won't announce him the starter.

Who says that Josh McDaniels is no idiot. First he hires Nolan as his DC then he screws up his relationship with his pro bowl QB before he even coaches a game in Denver yet. We Niner fans think we've got QB issues, glad I'm not a Bronco fan.

Fact #1 - Hands down Cutler is better than any of the QB's currently on the roster. In fact, he is better than all 3 of them put together. I would love for the 9ers to acquire him. To think anything else is crazy.

Fact #2 - This team has a lot of holes to fill. Arizona and Seattle have done tons to improve themselves. We're a mediocre team in a weak division. Cutler will help. But he ain't gonna get us to the super bowl by himself

Fact #3 - with the emphasis on building through the draft and adding value through FA, there is no way McCloughin is giving up multiple high draft picks to get Cutler.

Fact #4 - despite screwing up this first impression, there is no way McDaniels trades one of the better QB's in the league without getting a QB back or having an established backup on place (and no, Hill and Smith aren't even close to value).

Fact #5 - When was the last time there was a 3 team deal in the NFL? Trades are happening because of the CBA. This isn't MLB and Scot isn't Beane. No sign and trades either.

Matt, We have about $30 million in cap money yet it looks like we're just going to sit on it going into training camp. I understand you don't want to spend just for the sake of spending but with all our needs you'd think they're planning something. A big draft day trade perhaps, for Cutler, Peppers, or a veteran OT? Or maybe giving extensions to V. Davis or Patrick Willis? Any idea what they're thinking?

"The rumor of agent Bus Cook being in Buffalo on Monday has prompted Bills fans to collectively hyperventilate regarding the possibility of a trade of Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler for Bills quarterback Trent Edwards." - PFT
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Football fans. What a hysterical Comedy Tour.

How about this deal? (sorry, no 49ers involved):

Cutler to Minnesota,
Eddie Royal (or Brandon Marshall) to Arizona.
Leinart and Boldin to Denver.
Chester Taylor and Minn. Draft Pick (or Pat Williams) to Arizona.

Arizona can make another run at a Super Bowl by filling their needs (Running Back, Draft Pick to replace Leinart or excellent Defensive Lineman, Excellent Pro Bowl quality young WR that they don't have to reward with a big contract right away).

Denver gets a young QB with potential and a Pro Bowl WR.

Minnesota can make a run at the Super Bowl with a Pro Bowl QB.

Anybody who says we don't need Cutler, don't need to sacrifice draft picks, or that Cuter is on par with Smith or Hill needs to get their head examined. The NFL is a QB league - period. Unless you have the '85 Bears or '00 Ravens D, you need a Top 5 QB to have a chance each year. Teams spend decades trying to find a Brady, Manning, Montana, etc. How good was Shanahan without Elway? Mooch without Young? Why do we need to take a chance with draft picks when Cutler is a SURE thing. Are we going to draft another Drunkenmiller, Doman, Pickett, Carmazzi, etc.? Those seemed to work out well. Mr. York if you are listening, do whatever it takes to get Cutler. You will re-energize the fans and give us hope. We have none with the current crop of QB's.

According to Mike Lombardi, Chris Simms is looking outstanding (I was frustrated we didn't do more to bring him in). He said the Broncos feel they could actually start him with confidence, he looks that good.

I'm also reading reports that the Niners have little interest in Cutler, which makes absolutely no sense when you consider the pitch they just gave to grandpa Warner only a couple weeks ago.

It's one thing if we don't get Denver's first consideration -- it's another when we show no interest at all. Frankly, if that's true, it raises concerns about this organization....how can you bend over backwards to court a 37-yr-old QB, and not even entertain a 26 yr old Pro Bowler?

Awful lot of fixation on 60-yard passes here. Remember, Warner's 64-yard TD pass to Fitzgerald in the Super Bowl didn't travel 64 yards in the air - it was a 6-yard slant pattern and 58 yards of Fitzgerald running through blown coverage.

How many times did Montana throw the ball 60 yards on the fly? Maybe once, with a tailwind. Most of his long TDs were catch-and-runs by the likes of Rice and Taylor. He had a 76-yarder to Freddie Solomon in the '83 NFC title game, but the throw traveled 30 yards at most; Freddie did the rest.

Put it this way: If the 49ers don't have a single completion of 60 yards or more, and they still reach the playoffs and win a postseason game or two, does it really matter?

I've read those reports too, but it hasn't been reported through any major news source.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it tampering if Cook is in contact with another team? I don't know those ins-and-outs, but I do know Cutler is under contract so I would presume any talks with other teams would be between Denver (not Cook) and whomever (in this case, Buffalo).

The Niners don't want to give up their first round pick...that's the difference between pursuing Warner and Cutler. Kurt was just money, and only for two years...Cutler will want a fat new contract (that part is workable) but the Broncos will also want compensation in the form of our first round pick.

I don't know how accurate John Crumpacker's sources are, but if they are correct in saying the Niner's have "very little" interest in Cutler, I am done with the Niners. For them to go after a 38 yr old QB, then ignore a 26 yr old franchise QB is about as ignorant as you can get (not to mention not attempting to trade for Cassell). McClueless is so obsessed with keeping his draft picks, because he literally needs a dozen to get one right. Get your heads out of your as*es and GET CUTLER. When we had Montana and Young, we had a chance EVERY year - that was no coincidence. Interesting how we have basically sucked since they both left.

"I don't know how accurate John Crumpacker's sources are, but if they are correct in saying the Niner's have "very little" interest in Cutler, I am done with the Niners."
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Go, wsmith! Please hurry! Here's your luggage and a passport. If you can't understand the difference between signing a FA QB vs trading picks/players (which we do not have) to another team for their QB (who has not won anything at all on the pro level), then so be it. The NFL is simply too difficult for you to grasp.

bye bye....don't let the door hit u on the way out - i am really not sure what cutler has done to be called a franchise QB - is the requirement so low now to be a franchise qb - don't you have to win playoff games and have a better winning % to be a franchise qb.....

thank you.

I would definately be hysterical if Bus Cook was in Santa Clara!

hmmm lets see - Is cutler in the first 10 best Qb's in the league (not in order)- tom brady, p manning, rivers, roethlisberger, mcnabb, warner, brees, eli manning, hasselbeck, flacco, matt ryan, romo, palmer, ......not even in the top 13....all you whinners need to shut it, just like to predicted JTO was a probowler....

it's pretty ignorant to compare Cutler to Montana or Young. you also need to remember the teams that we had when we had Montana and Young. oh, don't forget that we also had a couple of guys you may have heard of. Bill Walsh and George Seifert? those teams of the 80's/90's were elite dynasty TEAMS... we don't have nearly the supporting cast that those two legendary QB's had. if we can get Cutler for a 2nd round pick, then sure, but i'd rather shore up our future with draft picks.

It is the 9er org responsibility to leave "No stone un-turned whether they are interested or not. They need to at least make a call Denver and ask what it would take to make a deal, and make an offer - any reasonable offer. Don't offer your 1st rd. pick if you don't want to, offer something else - maybe you're #1 next year, there's a nice crop of QB's coming out. But with a talent like Cutler, you can not just stand on the sidelines and do nothing.

Skeebers - yes it is so difficult! I can't grasp the fact that we are a rudderless franchise that has been at the bottom of the NFL for years! I can't grasp the fact that we have no #1 QB on our roster! I can't grasp the fact that the Niners want to hold on to draft picks that are a risk, and usually don't pan out when McClueless picks them! When Cutler gets traded, let me know if those draft picks Denver gets are so different than the draft picks we have the opportunity to trade! Cutler "has not won anything at all on the pro level" - great analogy! If you believe that, and believe that Hill and Smith are the equivalent to Cutler, perhaps the NFL is simply too difficult for YOU to grasp, genius.

I've considered the FA vs. trade difference, but that's not valid to me. Obviously the Niners would have to pay Cutler more than what he's making now and that's fine because they have the money.

In terms of what they'd have to give up (whereas they didn't have to with Warner) -- I'm sorry, but a 26 year old Pro Bowl QB has so much more value than a guy like Warner. If we need a QB (and our interest in Warner shows that we feel we do), then a guy like Cutler worth coughing up a pick for, period.

Draft picks are nice, but they take a lot of time and effort to develop. In a situation like this, when you're talking about acquiring a young talent that is already xperienced, a draft pick is nothing more than currency.

I've considered the FA vs. trade difference, but that's not valid to me. Obviously the Niners would have to pay Cutler more than what he's making now and that's fine because they have the money.

In terms of what they'd have to give up (whereas they didn't have to with Warner) -- I'm sorry, but a 26 year old Pro Bowl QB has so much more value than a guy like Warner. If we need a QB (and our interest in Warner shows that we feel we do), then a guy like Cutler worth coughing up a pick for, period.

Draft picks are nice, but they take a lot of time and effort to develop. Not to mention, you HOPE you got it right with the guy you took. Chances are, you didn't. So in a situation like this, when you're talking about acquiring a young talent that is already xperienced and playing at a high level, a draft pick is nothing more than currency and IMO, currency well spent.

Ed E.,
That's TRUE but you LEFT OUT one fairly important detail, Jerry Rice and John Taylor are NO LONGER with the 49ers. They don't have receivers that can catch it at 8 and take it 80 like a Rice, Taylor, and Fitzgerald. Scott McCloughan is a PROVEN MORON. He is an embarrassment to the 49ers and he shouldn't represent the organization on KNBR either because he is a terrible interview.

Thank you, well said.

What? Rice and Taylor aren't with the Niners anymore? Wow, thanks for that news flash!

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Seriously, until J. Hill/Morgan/Ziegler get more playing time, you don't really know what they're capable of, do you? Give the kids a chance to develop.

Why does it sound like many of you think we could acquire Cutler for 1 pick? For all the reasons you are saying we should get him are the exact reasons why Denver isn't just going to let him go for 1 pick. The only reason they moved forward was because their coach thought Cassel was special. We have no QB to offer at this point. I'm sure we're making calls to gauge cost/interest, but my bet is that if we are players for him, it won't happen until the draft, when Denver has an idea what they can get from our #10 pick. And, our GM isn't going to come out and say we are pursuing Cutler just to please the fans.

Cutler not in the Top 10?! Genius you are! 4,526 yards - 3rd behind Brees and Warner; 25 TD's 7th in league - and he did this with NO running game! They were down to their 6th or 7th RB - can you imagine how many yards and TD's Smith or Hill would throw for if they lost Gore, Foster, Robinson, Clayton, street RB, street RB???

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f4a9eb

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f4b1f9

Keep on living in fantasyland with Hill and Smith!!! You McClueless supporters need to get a clue.

Cutler to Morgan sounds better than Cutler to Marshall, don't you think? Offer VD, a 3rd rounder, and next years 2nd rounder - what the heck, throw in Roman to so that Nowin can take credit for the whole deal.

"hmmm lets see - Is cutler in the first 10 best Qb's in the league (not in order)- tom brady, p manning, rivers, roethlisberger, mcnabb, warner, brees, eli manning, hasselbeck, flacco, matt ryan, romo, palmer, ......not even in the top 13....all you whinners need to shut it, just like to predicted JTO was a probowler...."

Sorry, but if we are talking about current value than Cutler is just as good or better than everyone on that list not named Manning or Brady. And no I am not advocating acquiring Cutler because a) it's not realistic and b) if it were it would make too much sense and lately that's not the 49er way. We want to keep drafting hybrid mediocre talent and acquiring free agents for depth even though we don't have any quality starters at many positions, mainly because we suck at drafting and foresight. Love Singeltary, but not as a HC, our GM is a turd and our ownership is embarrassing.

And for all the kool aide drinkers please save the "then just go away we don't need fans like you" posts. I have been a fan a long time and will continue to be, I just expect more and can take off my homer glasses for a minute and be objective, so should you.

McCloughan is a Moron? really? he took over the crappiest team of all time and has built a team that is on the rise, is young, is in a great cap position, and ready to start making a run. There are draft picks contributing all across the team and we have nice depth. I have so much more hope now then when he came in. Moron is a little strong...

Don't like Singletary? Did you miss the turnaround after he took over? What free agents would you suggest we have gotten and at what positions are we lacking quality starters?

Best comments in weeks! I agree 100%!

PHX49er...I agree with you 110%. This franchise needs to wake up!!!

PHX49er...I agree with you 110%. This franchise needs to wake up!!

PHX49er...I agree with you 110%. This franchise needs to wake up!!

Amen to that. GM is an absolute idiot! Seems like any free agents of value are not even interested in coming here. This is embarrassing. I do like Singletary as HC and we have some good positional coaches, but bottom line is where are the players?

Amen to that!

hey duffous - yu being objective!!! -- " Love Singeltary, but not as a HC, our GM is a turd and our ownership is embarrassing." - if you don't like the hc, you think the gm sucks and the owner (the person whose money YOU WOULD LUV TO SPEND) is terrible- you are basing all this opinions on your tiny brain without any detail information on wht is actually goin on behind doors - And you expect us to think you are OBJECTIVE...LOL....keep your dumb rants to yourself or stop being a fan, cuz realisticly none of those issues you have a problem with is not going to change anytime soon...so you can either put your homer glasses back on and get with the program or start supporting a new team.......you sound like a horse during its menstral period....whine - whine - whine

c'mon now, we all know the biggest GM joke of all time was Donahue. Do we all need a reminder that this is McCloughans first FA and Draft, and that all you niner fans who think you have a clue, should know that Nowin was running the show these past years, and that even though Mccloughan officially became GM last year - Nowin called the shots. Geez, he even took credit for firing himself!

Hey oneniner, how far down that list of QBs do you think you need to go before you get to one that is on the 49er roster? 25? 29? A few quick points:

Cutler makes the 49ers better

Draft picks are a shot in the dark

And when the shooter is Scot McCloughan you end up with Kentwan Balmer.

So yeah, I'd rather have Cutler then bank on McCloughan drafting the right person.

so who in that list would you replace cutler with?....

Sorry Toby, but Balmer was a Nowin pick .........

what is wrong with you kids?....."cutler makes 49ers better" - you make it sound as if one player makes a team that better.....with our o-line the past couple of years talk less about our receivers and OC, cutler would be in the same shoes A.Smith is in maybe even worse since he has a nutty attitude......with all the proven organisation and stability Denver had - the guy never won anything big.....i mean where are your brains on this?

you kids are on cough syrup...McGm is now the bad guy?....after what this guy has done with the mess donahue left us with....kids remember there are 32 teams in the league and i can actually say for sure we are actually better than 10.....if not for McGm we would be below 32.

Just go away, we don't need fans like you. lol

I wouldn't say I'm a homer, but I'm cautiously optimistic. I would like to see what this trio of Sing, McC (as a GM), and Jed can do. Tom Rathman is also an important link to the "glory days" and should be an important piece in the coaching staff. I'm willing to give it a chance, see if they can put a winning product on the the field, before I cast my final judgement. For goodness sake, we haven't even hit training camp yet and people are already heaving stones. I guess that's just the way it is.

Again, a Cutler trade would be boo-boo. We wouldn't be able to offer anything the Broncs want. Last I heard they want any trade to include P. Willis. Not goin down and should not ever go down.

Just don't care for him as a HC and I think people put way too much stock in the "turn around" last year. That had more to do with playing equally poor teams or teams that started falling apart the second half of the year and getting the turnover machine JTO out of the line up, not sure it's all about the prowess of Singeltary, but that's a whole other debate.

As to your question of "what position are we lacking quality starters?" Do I really need to answer that? I think you can look at our depth chart and start making that determination for yourself. And for FA's I understand that going and getting the "big names" is not always the best idea, I am talking about our approach of either spending a ton on guys in the wrong areas (i.e. getting an expensive CB without having much of a pass rush in place, the best DB in the world is not going to be effective without a pass rush) or continuing to stock pile depth. And I am not saying that's a bad thing but it doesn't help when draft so poorly. And there is a huge difference between draft picks contributing and making a difference.

faithful and your brethren who call our GM names and complain about FAs not coming here or us not going after them:

FA RBs out there better than what we have: zero
FA QBs out there better than what we have: zero
FA FSs out there better than what we have: zero
FA OLBs out there better than what we have: zero
FA NTs out there better than what we have: zero
FA WRs out there better than what we have: zero
FA OLs out there better than what we have: zero
FA DEs out there better than what we have: zero
FA CBs out there better than what we have: zero
FA LBs out there better than what we have: zero
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Have I missed anything? FA cheerleaders, maybe? Other than Hainsworth, who exactly in the entire FA market would be considered a huge upgrade? You name callers always leave out any pertinent information to back up your whining and classless diatribes against McC, always dragging in the past six or seven years to bolster your complaints, conveniently ignoring that McC is in his 2nd year, Jed York his first, and Singletary his first.

Right on on everything you said. Oh how quick are we to forget about the Donahue/Erickson era...YUCK!

Excellent post! Put another star on your board of self reward. Really highlights your intelligence and grasp of the game. You really exemplify the best the 49er fan base has to offer, keep up the good work!

The only time Denver was going to part with Cutler was when Josh had his boy Cassell in return. What on earth makes you think McDaniels is stupid enough to dump the franchise QB and go into the draft with the #10 pick hoping Stadford or Sanchez is available and hoping that they are better than Cutler? GET OVER IT. We are not a good trade partner as we do NOT offer Denver a solution to the most important position on the field. We could trade our entire draft to Denver and it won't solve their need. McDaniels might be learning on the go but he isn’t stupid. As for some of you on this blog... I’m not so sure I can say that with conviction.

It's painful to read the nonsense from the McClueless supporters, especially "oneniner" who is clearly functioning with a limited IQ and vocabulary. Balmer was a McClueless pick people, last draft he was GM and had the "trigger". Cutler makes us better, MUCH better - anyone who thinks otherwise is a perfect McClueless supporter. We are sick of supporting a clueless franchise who wastes draft picks, signs an entire FA defense, thinks Hill and Smith can lead us to the Super Bowl, etc. We have the right to voice our displeasure and disgust. I want the Niners to win, and with the current roster, it ain't gonna happen.

I agree with you phx49er that in past years we've been drafting for "depth" and "projected starters" rather than guys that can start right away, that was the Mike Nowin approach. We can only hope that McC will change that way of thinking and use the early rounds of the draft on guys that CAN start right away. With that said, leave no stone un-turned and at least call the Broncs and see what it will take to get Cutler.

1-we have no depth-tell me who are are backups at LB 2-We apparently have been on the rise for 3 years-were mediocre at best 3-McClueless is not adding talent but rather stocking our team with back ups 4 sorry to say it because I bleed red & gold and am season ticket holder but were not very good and were not getting any better at this point!

McClueless is in his 2nd year?! WTF has he been doing the last 4-5 years? Making coffee? You are ignorant and cannot "grasp" the role of the personnel department in the NFL. This guy has been in charge of all of the scouts, the draft, etc., and has made overwhelming recommendations to NoWin to draft all of the player the last 4-5 drafts. Do you think NoWin ran the draft and scouting on his own? You want to give McClueless all of the credit for Willis, Gore, Staley, etc., but it's convenient to not lay the blame on him for the past and the miserable picks he made for NoWin.

McClueless is in his 2nd year?! WTF has he been doing the last 4-5 years? Making coffee? You are ignorant and cannot "grasp" the role of the personnel department in the NFL. This guy has been in charge of all of the scouts, the draft, etc., and has made overwhelming recommendations to NoWin to draft all of the player the last 4-5 drafts. Do you think NoWin ran the draft and scouting on his own? You want to give McClueless all of the credit for Willis, Gore, Staley, etc., but it's convenient to not lay the blame on him for the past and the miserable picks he made for NoWin.

"Let me get this straight - you are saying if we had the chance to acquire a QB like Cutler you would rather pass and go with Hill and a draftee instead? Embarrassing."

I'll tell you what's embarrassing – Cutler getting manipulated by his agent Bus Cook that he deserves better treatment from McDaniels and the Broncs organization. Oh wait just a minute, lemme see if I can find my stash of lollipops for Jay and make it all better.

There's a mental pattern with this kid that should give every team pause. The way Philip Rivers gets inside his head during the Charger contests, his choice of agent in Bus Cook, who's the second coming of Rosenhaus, now McDaniels. Quite frankly, I think Cutler is using McDaniels as an excuse to get out of the Rockies. Shanahan coddled him like his son last year.

Sing, IMO, is a coach who admires mental toughness more than any other attribute in a player. This is why Sing will pass and go.

As for drafting a Quarterback, I think the majority here on MM know my personal opinion. ;)

running back I would like in draft but if you want to argue ok. Derrick Ward was out there. Correll Buckhalter I believe is better than Michael Robinson actually just about anybody is better at rb than Michael. Qbs Sage Rosenfels was avaible, Byron Leftwich is better than both are backups, Im sure were not going after Cutler or if we are hes not interested.Fs- Brian Dawkins, Gibril Wilson, Yeremiah Bell all better than Roman.NT- tough one but Shaun Rogers is unhappy in Cleveland and is better than anyone we have.LBs- Julius Peppers, Terrell Suggs,Bart Scott,Boley,Julian Peterson went to Deroit all better than our guys.CBs- Shawn Springs went to NE , Goodman, Eric Greene,Chris McCallister all better than Harris. Wrs- TJ,Torry Holt, Devery Henderson. I can go on and on, I am sure I missed a lot of guys, but your post is not credible if you think there were not some really good pickups out there. I look at the whole league not just the niners and see much more talent than we have out there and yet were standing pat, I dont understand. If we could at least pickup a rt tackle in fa it would open up that first pick for a nt (Raji) or pass rusher (Orakpo or Brown or Qb Sanchez)

McCloughan Mistakes with a little help from NOwin but he is still the GM/Advisor:

Alex Smith #1

J. Jennings aka Injury Prone $36 mil

N. Clements 80 million should be Safety

D. "StoneHands" Jackson for 4th rounder, NE R. Moss 4th Rounder

T. Dilfer in as backup QB, Jeff Garcia was there for the taking

V. Davis 6th Overall, good player but not 6th overall good

Tully Banta-Cain, enough said

Ashely Lelie, enough said

M. Lewis, covers about as good as Roy Williams

K. Balmer instead of DeSean Jackson

COMPLETE FAILURE to ADDRESS THE QB Position, the most important position on the team.

That was just a few and that was PLENTY!

Good Moves:
Frank Gore
Patrick Willis
maybe J. Staley
maybe M. Lawson
maybe C. Rachael
maybe J. Morgan
maybe J. Hill

A lot of maybes and two slam dunks, ZERO winning seasons with a lot of money to spend. Calling Mike Holmgren......

true, McC was in charge of Personnel, scouting, and I'm sure he gave Nowin countless info on all players, but the bottom line is, the past 4 years including last year -- all ..... and that would be ALL final decisions were made by nowin. You can go back to all the interviews from last year where McC says that he and nowin make the decisions together, but nowin was always heard as saying nothing has changed from previous years -- meaning, he was still having final say in everything.

McCloughan Mistakes with a little help from NOwin but he is still the GM/Advisor:

Alex Smith #1

J. Jennings aka Injury Prone $36 mil

N. Clements 80 million should be Safety

D. "StoneHands" Jackson for 4th rounder, NE R. Moss 4th Rounder

T. Dilfer in as backup QB, Jeff Garcia was there for the taking

V. Davis 6th Overall, good player but not 6th overall good

Tully Banta-Cain, enough said

Ashely Lelie, enough said

M. Lewis, covers about as good as Roy Williams

K. Balmer instead of DeSean Jackson

COMPLETE FAILURE to ADDRESS THE QB Position, the most important position on the team.

That was just a few and that was PLENTY!

Good Moves:
Frank Gore
Patrick Willis
maybe J. Staley
maybe M. Lawson
maybe C. Rachael
maybe J. Morgan
maybe J. Hill

A lot of maybes and two slam dunks, ZERO winning seasons with a lot of money to spend. Calling Mike Holmgren......

Matt,why have the 49ers been so quiet this month concerning the draft. I have seen and heard about other teams holding private workouts with draftees,but none by the 49ers.

I agree.If you look at the niners drafts in the first round they have done well except Alex Smith, however look at the rest of the teams first picks, they also have those players starting and the guys are usually playmakers. It is when you go deeper into the draft that you will see McClueless is clueless.How many 3rd 4th 5th 6th and 7th rounders are starting impact players on this team. Also the inability to trade for extra picks or trade picks for impact players is quite apparent.

Thank you!

Thanks for making my point, Faithful. No one on your list represents a significant improvement on what we have. And some on your list are not FAs. And Roman isn't our FS any more. And there are no RTs out there.

NoWin and McClueless have stated COUNTLESS times they almost always agree on every pick. In other words you can put McClueless' stamp on all of the picks. If you want to say NoWin made all of the picks and had final say, then you can't give McClueless ANY credit for Gore, Willis, Staley, etc., etc., etc. You can't have it both ways.

Well dip me in Kathy Ireland!!
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Matt,

Any news from 49er Land?

As to your question of "what position are we lacking quality starters?" Do I really need to answer that? I think you can look at our depth chart and start making that determination for yourself.

YES! You want to come on here and call people out, say its all wrong, and you then can't back up your statements. Yes you need to answer that. That is weak! The free agents out there are older and looking for big contracts. There are very very few young guys that fit our scheme that would come in without huge bucks sacrificing the future. So you then go and list the Nate Clements pickup and say that was a bad pickup. Why? He's younger, tough, and doesn't miss games. Similar to Justin Smith. Do you remember our cornerback position before Nate? You want free agent pickups but don't like the Nate pickup. I don't follow that.

OK, let me follow your argument, I'll do your work for you. I think we can upgrade Free Safety, rush OLB, Nose Tackle, WR, Right Tackle, QB. Now, lets list who was/is out there who would be a good pickup. FS = none, OLB = none, NT = none, WR = TJ, Holt, Coles all old and getting huge contracts, RT = Barnes and a few older guys, all getting FAT contracts, QB = Warner, we pursued that. What are we not doing that you believe we should be doing? Paying huge contracts for older guys hasn't proved to be a winning model.

You dont have a point because your eyes are closed to the rest of the league. The only impact players we have in the eyes of the NFL are P Willy, Frank who is now a top 15 running back and a couple of good lineman, thats it. So if you have a point you want to make about the drafting and free agent pick ups the last 4 years go ahead!

Some of you are blinded by the realities of the NFL. Look back at the 2005 draft. The entire first round is full of busts. There are only 4 players out of 32 that have played up to their potential. Who should we have picked? There is no one in the top 10 that was worth their top 10 spot. In a redraft of this year Gore is a top 10 pick. Thefore its a hedge off of the Alex bust.

Top 10:
Alex Smith – Bust
Ronnie Brown – Ok, but not #2 in the draft ok – 3rd rounder Gore much better
Braylon Edwards – One good pro bowl year, 3 very pedestrian years
Cedric Benson – BUST
Carnell Williams – BUST/Injuries
Adam Jones – Ha ha BUST
Troy Williamson – BUST
Antrel Rolle – BUST at CB, now trying Safety in AZ
Carlos Rogers – BUST
Mike Williams - BUST

Its the 49ers fault right?? Its McClueless right? Please go sell crazy some place else.

Read my post again, I never said I give McC credit for Willis, Gore, etc picks. Ya'll never seem to be happy with anything -- are ya'll related to Ralph Barbieri or Lowell Cohn? No matter which way you flip it, the bottom line and believe it or not, it is crystal clear - final personnel decisions were made by nowin, even last year - McC will not admit to it, but nowin has. I will be judging McC based on what he does this year and going forward ----- as all those that call yourselves niner fans should.

Your referring to one year, whereas I would be referring to four years. Come on man this is not rocket science great coaches and GMs rebuild teams in 3-4 years. This group is behaving like everything is just about in place when we had a 7-9 team. Resigning practice squad players 4th string qbs and #3 wrs. We need playmakers! Whats wrong with you!

Right on Mike! Although, back in 2005 I wanted the 9ers to take B. Edwards - I still wish they had.

Does Cutler have the tools? Absolutely, no disputing he's more physically talented than Hill/Smith. I'm more concerned about his ability to finish when more than an early-season game is on the line.

Case in point: The Broncos needed a win over Buffalo at home in Week 16 to make the playoffs. Down 30-23 in the fourth quarter, Cutler drives Denver to the Bills' 15...incomplete, incomplete, INT. Denver's D forces a three-and-out, and Cutler brings the Broncos from their 39 to the Buffalo 20...incomplete, 5-yard gain to the 15, incomplete, incomplete.

That's 1-for-7 with an INT in two key red-zone drives. I know, it would have just tied the game, but a win or a tie would have gotten Denver into the postseason. And how does a "franchise" QB throw for 359 yards with NO touchdowns? Cutler did run for two TDs in that game, but he doesn't get paid to run the ball, folks!

If a top-flight QB was all we needed to make a deep run into the playoffs - not just make the postseason - I'd be more enthusiastic about dealing for Cutler. But there's still RT/pass rush/help for Gore to address, and no one can guarantee that the acquisition of Cutler is the final piece of the puzzle. Far from it.

How's that for objective?

Brian Dawkins is old and got a huge contract for what he has left. The other safeties are all viewed as strong safeties, not center fielder types. Shaun Rogers is under contract with another team. Suggs and Peppers are under contract. Boley doesn't fit the 3-4 in anyway. The corners are debatable. Devery Henderson? really? Holt will get big money and has a bad knee, and that ship hasn't sailed yet. Is that your entire list ? really?

You're right to a certain point, faithful niner. IMO, I think the 9er FO are NOT looking at the big picture. Maybe they spend too much time concerning themselves with the teams in our divison, so they think they are sooo close to being tops in the NFC west. What they need to be thinking is what do we need - to be an elite team so we can compete with the big boys.

faithful niner, that's what concerns me to death. Everyone says we don't need a good QB,because were going to be a smash mouth football team. Do they not realize that when thier an 8 front. No team going to be scared of Smith or Hill throwing the ball. Shoot DBs will jump for joy,because they will get a lot picks. Plus we were a run first team before and are offense was dead last that year.

Look, here is my frustration, do we not need more LBs, CBs, NT, QB, FS,OT,RB and WR. It has been 4 years and we are way short of talent, so I am tired of hearing how it is not McClueless. When he was not GM he was in charge of scouting. I love my niners like everybody else and want to see them win. Where I am different is I am not going to make exscuses for them. If your happy with the things are headed good for you, but the writing is on the wall for another average at best season.

Cutler has a strong arm, so what? That makes him a FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK? Please. Let's be objective. Shaun Hill has a winning record with a very bad team. Cutler with better talent around him, a more established organization, an offensive coaching legend in Mike Shanahan, and a highly regarded "passing game coordinator" in Jeremy Bates has yet to lead the Broncos to a winning record, much less a playoff appearance. I am not saying Shaun Hill is necessarily better than Jay Cutler, but let's be objective. Jay Cutler is not going to make this team that much better than it is with Shaun Hill, and there is absolutely no guarantee that Cutler won't bail for a big money contract with a better team once his rookie contract expires ... or ask to be traded the first time Coach Singletary gives him an attitude adjustment. Draft picks if properly utilized are gold. Let's not throw them away because we are enamored with a young crybaby with a strong arm.

Cutler has a strong arm, so what? That makes him a FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK? Please. Let's be objective. Shaun Hill has a winning record with a very bad team. Cutler with better talent around him, a more established organization, an offensive coaching legend in Mike Shanahan, and a highly regarded "passing game coordinator" in Jeremy Bates has yet to lead the Broncos to a winning record, much less a playoff appearance. I am not saying Shaun Hill is necessarily better than Jay Cutler, but let's be objective. Jay Cutler is not going to make this team that much better than it is with Shaun Hill, and there is absolutely no guarantee that Cutler won't bail for a big money contract with a better team once his rookie contract expires ... or ask to be traded the first time Coach Singletary gives him an attitude adjustment. Draft picks if properly utilized are gold. Let's not throw them away because we are enamored with a young crybaby with a strong arm.

Jay Cutler I believe is better than Shaun Hill because he has a stronger arm, can make all the throws, is very accurate and only 26 yrs old. It would be a great upgrade to the position and I would not be nervous if our starter got hurt. Our draft picks or pick would be much better utilized with a young proven QB! It wasnt that long ago, well maybe it was that we treasured our QBs here in SF. So lets go out and get a good one!

Ronnie, take a survey of all of the GM's around the league and see how many would prefer Hill or Smith over Cutler - even at the expense of more money and draft picks for Cutler. You'll probably only get one vote in favor of Smith and Hill - McClueless. It is ridiculous for die-hard Niners fans to think we have a snowballs chance in hell to win a Super Bowl with Hill or Smith. I am not happy with the roster that NoWin and McClueless built, but I would feel uch better about it if we had Cutler as our QB. No QB = No Chance in the NFL, and we have been living proof of that for years.

Wow, everybody calm down. I think that everyone would agree that Cutler is more talented and produced more at the NFL level than any QB on the roster. Everyone would also agree that Cutler would be an upgrade at that position. The arguement would be what we would have to give up to get him. That's the big deal. Let's see what happens.

There are few teams and GM's in the NFL that are completely successful all the time. For the most part, they get lucky in a draft or two and a core group of players works out to be special players. That allows them to slot in average players around them to complement these special players. This can feed success for 5-7 years, barring injury. Then they turn the team over and struggle for a couple of years.

McCloughin has done a good job taking a team that was devoid of talent and in cap trouble to one that is average (like most of the teams in the NFL) and with cap room. We just need a bit to get up over the hump. We're better off now than when we were 4-5 years ago, no doubt

From all the posts of all the whiners I have yet to see even one do anything but whine. No suggestions as to what should be done or should have been done. Wsmith, call up the Broncos, suggest we trade Hill for Cutler. They will say no. You can then tell us Cutler is better than Hill. SO WHAT!? So's Manning. So's Brady. WHO WOULD YOU TRADE TO THE BRONCOS TO OBTAIN CUTLER? You know so much, that should be easy to answer. We're all waiting . . .

Manning and Brady are not unhappy where they are and ready to possibly be traded and yes Cutler is better. Give them your first round pick. This is your franchise QB. Its not rocket science. We should have gotten an OT such as Barnes or Stacey Andrews, but now they are gone. We would have had our RT and if Cutler went through QB, now we use our first pick for NT or pass rusher. What are your ideas?

totally agree !

Simple, The #10 overall pick and this year's 4th rounder, I GUARANTEE YOU that will land the 49ers Cutler because Denver can get a QB at #10 and not have to overpay him. They will take that and another pick before Detroit's #1. The only better deal would be straight up with Cleveland for Brady Quinn. Who are the 49ers going to get at #10 that will help them this year more than Cutler??? NOBODY!

Agreed!

Sorry. I'm Denver and I need a QB to replace Cutler - NOW. A PROVEN QB, not a might be draft pick.

No your not Denver and there is no one who is going to trade a QB of that caliber for the same. Face it McDaniels has really screwed the Broncos, unless they just keep him which is possible.

Ok so everyone that wants Cutler is saying we should trade our first round pick. Ok, lets hop on this bus and see where it takes us. Now the broncos have #10 and #12 pick and have to use one of them on a QB unless they can count on Simms (probably not gonna happen, Chris). So who they gonna get for QB? Answer: Sanchez because Stafford will most likely be gone by 10. Cutler for Sanchez is what you're telling me then? Really? If Sanchez is better than Cutler then why don't we draft him? (I don't want Sanchez btw) So do you start Sanchez day one or let him learn behind Simms? I don't like either of those options.

So the question still remains... What do the niners have to offer for Cutler thats of any value now that we can rule out pick #10?

The Broncos have backed themselves into a corner and they have to trade Cutler. Who told you they need a starting QB to be willing to make the trade? Are you having personal conversations with McDaniels genius? We have a lot in our favor to trade for Cutler - the #10 pick, an entire roster that Nolan would like to have since he drafted most of them, and plenty of cap room to sign Cutler to a big new deal (we were willing to give Warner $20 mil guaranteed). I can easily see offering the #10 pick, and a player such as S Hill, M Lawson, V Davis, etc., and it would get the deal done. The Broncos could easily get by with Chris Simms, or sign Garcia or Leftwich, because they are not going to win this year or next with that defense. Apparently any Niner fan that isn't content with losing is considered a "whiner". I guess since you are content with losing you should be considered a "loser".

The Broncos will not be able to replace Cutler with someone as good as Cutler. The only reason this whole thing is a possibility is because the new head coach got sloppy. He should have kept it quiet, but he pissed Cutler off and apparently they have not been able to work it out. So, the Broncos do not hold the leverage in this situation necessarily and if they have to get rid of him because of egos then they will be taking a bit of a risk no matter what they get for him.

I don't want to do anything, just giving my opinion like everyone else. If you want to say I am calling people out because I think it's embarrassing that anyone would view Hill or any QB in this draft as comparable to Cutler go ahead won't change the fact that it's still embarrassing ;)

As for the positions lacking quality starters: QB, WR, OL, DL, OLB, CB, S. I think that should give you enough to chew on. If you really require me to further explain why those positions lack "quality" starters then you have obviously not been paying attention.

The Broncos have backed themselves into a corner and they have to trade Cutler. Who told you they need a starting QB to be willing to make the trade? Are you having personal conversations with McDaniels genius? We have a lot in our favor to trade for Cutler - the #10 pick, an entire roster that Nolan would like to have since he drafted most of them, and plenty of cap room to sign Cutler to a big new deal (we were willing to give Warner $20 mil guaranteed). I can easily see offering the #10 pick, and a player such as S Hill, M Lawson, V Davis, etc., and it would get the deal done. The Broncos could easily get by with Chris Simms, or sign Garcia or Leftwich, because they are not going to win this year or next with that defense. Apparently any Niner fan that isn't content with losing is considered a "whiner". I guess since you are content with losing you should be considered a "loser".

If the Broncos give up Cutler for our #10 and a throw in #4, yeah, we'd have to do it, but there is no way the Bronco's would do that. You guarantee huh? The only way would be if Stafford dropped to #10 on draft day, and, if the Bronco's really like Stafford. You keep hurting your argument when you say, who is going to be at #10 that would help more the Cutler. Duh, don't you think the Broncos would be thinking the same thing, who is at #10 that would make them want to give up Cutler.

The Broncos have backed themselves into a corner and they have to trade Cutler. Who told you they need a starting QB to be willing to make the trade? Are you having personal conversations with McDaniels genius? We have a lot in our favor to trade for Cutler - the #10 pick, an entire roster that Nolan would like to have since he drafted most of them, and plenty of cap room to sign Cutler to a big new deal (we were willing to give Warner $20 mil guaranteed). I can easily see offering the #10 pick, and a player such as S Hill, M Lawson, V Davis, etc., and it would get the deal done. The Broncos could easily get by with Chris Simms, or sign Garcia or Leftwich, because they are not going to win this year or next with that defense. Apparently any Niner fan that isn't content with losing is considered a "whiner". I guess since you are content with losing you should be considered a "loser".

Not that it matters, but there was a report that McDaniels really likes the way Simms is looking during training. With that report and a bag of chips...you got a bag of chips. I'm just saying.

You're right though gonna take more than #10

Well then there is only one thing that Denver can do ....... Bowlen MUST fire McDaniels and replace him with Shanahan

how about VD, our 3rd round pick, and next years 1st and next years 2nd Round pick?

Sorry, I meant to say .......
VD, our 3rd Rd. pick (this year) and our 2nd rd. pick (next year).

First of all, it's not the fans' job to come up with "the best way to handle this". That includes you and me both.

I can only speak for myself (though I imagine this is how other fans feel) when I say this:

This issue LESS about actually getting Jay Cutler (a highly unlikely scenario even if he were officially on the block)as it is A POOR REFLECTION on our front office to be chasing 38 year old QBs on one hand, yet be completely unwilling to deal our own assets to attain a young, proven QB who still has his best years ahead of him.

Does aggressiveness mean that mean we GET Jay Cutler? Probably not. But at least we can say we tried, or see that this organization's first priority is VICTORY, not sitting on its hands waiting for success to happen to them.

I can only hope we're being quiet because Cutler is under contract, but if we're genuinely "not interested" as is being reported, then we can look forward to more dark ages until this team gets its priorities straight.

In terms of possible "personality conflicts", I don't buy it. As far as I'm concerned, Cutler isn't a problem. If McDaniels had been more re-assuring, I'm sure he would have gotten over this a lot sooner. But McDaniels decided to play the John Wayne card and try and show Cutler who's boss. Stupid rookie head coach mistake. It's his job to unite the team, not divide it with un-proven bravado.

Jon in SoCal,

You're right everybody needs to get off this Crazy Train & move on to the next topic. Matt where the hell are you! See this is what can happen when Matt falls asleep at the wheel for a couple of days. Mayhem erupts!, M. Burrows from the Sac B has already commented today on Marvel Smith (OT) from Pittsburgh coming in tomorrow for a visit & Bajema & Strickland are getting a look see from other teams.

I don't see it being possible to get Cutler in red & gold. The only possibility is Denver ending up with a QB that is good. The Niners don't have a good enough QB to offer in return. This can only happen if there is a three team trade. Our #10 doesn't ensure them a good QB. Cleveland giving them Quinn, us getting Cutler, and Cleveland getting our 10 is the best believable scenario. But the Browns probably view Quinn as there future and not Andersen. And the Broncos probably don't think Andersen is their answer. It is a very large if. I admit, I would like to have Cutler, but it isn't likley. I am guessing that the Niners will move forward with Smith and Hill.

Marvel Smith has some issues (back), but everyone on the market is goingt o have something. If they go ahead and sign him, does it change our draft plans? You probably cut Jennings and Simms, keep Snyder and 1 OT for b/u. That way you have 8 OL.

MATT: here's your next blarticle:

There has clearly been a shift in FA philosophy since Singletary took over. Before, whenever we brought a FA in, we threw a bunch of money at them and they didn't go away without an offer/signed contract. This year, we've brought in bunches of guys to look at and evaluate and sent them (or were sent) on their way. I don't know why we're being more selective, but is because we're more cautious about finding fit or is it because we're less attractive as a workplace... discuss

The Broncos DO have the leverage power in all of this. Cutler can whine all he wants but the reality is he is still under contract with them. He has already stated that he will attend the mandatory meetings, just not the voluntary ones. So what that says, is that he may not like playing for denver, but he WILL play for them if they decide to keep him.

I agree with many of the reports/rumors that the Browns have the best chance at acquiring him. They can give Denver Quinn (who will not start for Cleveland because the new staff doesn't want him to) and they have a higher pick in each round (including the reports that they could get up to 4 additional compensatory picks).

So while the possibility of having Cutler in a niner jersey does sound nice, it just doesn't seem likely. Sorry to rain on the parade but lets just be real here.

The Broncos DO have the leverage power in all of this. Cutler can whine all he wants but the reality is he is still under contract with them. He has already stated that he will attend the mandatory meetings, just not the voluntary ones. So what that says, is that he may not like playing for denver, but he WILL play for them if they decide to keep him.

I agree with many of the reports/rumors that the Browns have the best chance at acquiring him. They can give Denver Quinn (who will not start for Cleveland because the new staff doesn't want him to) and they have a higher pick in each round (including the reports that they could get up to 4 additional compensatory picks).

So while the possibility of having Cutler in a niner jersey does sound nice, it just doesn't seem likely. Sorry to rain on the parade but lets just be real here.

I agree with you Jon about Smith, it's a risky propostion anytime a lineman has had back problems I was just trying to change subject & get out of this stale segment that we're in. Hello Matt where are you?

Jon,

You're probably right about Marvel Smith. It's probably too risky of a proposition of signing him based his recent back problems. I was just trying to change the subject & get out of a very stale topic about the pipe dream (Cutler). Matt...WHERE ARE YOU?

Dear Airmchair GM's - Why would Denver get rid of their franchise QB for our #10 pick? They already have the #12 pick and the ONLY way Denver justifies the trade is if they break even or come out ahead. Otherwise McDaniels is DEAD ON ARRIVAL. He isn't stupid. This is NOT fantasy football. Can they risk assuming Sanchez or Strafford is still there are #10 and that one or both of them is better than Cutler from Day 1? And why not just take that QB at #12. Is our #10 really that much more valuable? The fans will not allow Denver time to groom a replacement. This would have to be a day one push or upgrade for Denver and San Francisco does NOT have what Denver needs. GET OVER IT!!! You are blaming our GM for not going after a player we could NEVER get. Let's blame him for not going after Payton and Brady. You would sound JUST AS SMART.

Survey the GMs in the NFL back in 2005 and most of them would have drafted Alex Smith with a top 3 pick. Survey most of the NFL GMs in 2006 and they all had a collective hard-on for Vince Young (Not Cutler by the way). Look at all the bust draft picks and horrible analyses of talent over the years. Don't even think about using the NFL GM argument, it's flawed. I am certainly not saying I know anything they don't. All I am suggesting is looking a little closer at the facts as they pertain to Jay Cutler ... and Shaun Hill. I am not suggesting the 49ers are going to win a Super Bowl with Shaun Hill. What I am suggesting is that we had Steve Deberg before we had Joe Montana. If this team is going to win a Super Bowl in the foreseeabale future, it is going to be because they drafted well (with the high picks from these terrible losing seasons). Cutler is a loser. He is a selfish loser who is not going to win a championship for any team. Let's keep our draft picks and young talent and go in another direction.

Survey the GMs in the NFL back in 2005 and most of them would have drafted Alex Smith with a top 3 pick. Survey most of the NFL GMs in 2006 and they all had a collective hard-on for Vince Young (Not Cutler by the way). Look at all the bust draft picks and horrible analyses of talent over the years. Don't even think about using the NFL GM argument, it's flawed. I am certainly not saying I know anything they don't. All I am suggesting is looking a little closer at the facts as they pertain to Jay Cutler ... and Shaun Hill. I am not suggesting the 49ers are going to win a Super Bowl with Shaun Hill. What I am suggesting is that we had Steve Deberg before we had Joe Montana. If this team is going to win a Super Bowl in the foreseeabale future, it is going to be because they drafted well (with the high picks from these terrible losing seasons). Cutler is a loser. He is a selfish loser who is not going to win a championship for any team. Let's keep our draft picks and young talent and go in another direction.

Survey the GMs in the NFL back in 2005 and most of them would have drafted Alex Smith with a top 3 pick. Survey most of the NFL GMs in 2006 and they all had a collective hard-on for Vince Young (Not Cutler by the way). Look at all the bust draft picks and horrible analyses of talent over the years. Don't even think about using the NFL GM argument, it's flawed. I am certainly not saying I know anything they don't. All I am suggesting is looking a little closer at the facts as they pertain to Jay Cutler ... and Shaun Hill. I am not suggesting the 49ers are going to win a Super Bowl with Shaun Hill. What I am suggesting is that we had Steve Deberg before we had Joe Montana. If this team is going to win a Super Bowl in the foreseeabale future, it is going to be because they drafted well (with the high picks from these terrible losing seasons). Cutler is a loser. He is a selfish loser who is not going to win a championship for any team. Let's keep our draft picks and young talent and go in another direction.

Marvel Smith is visiting the Niners tomorrow. Pro bowl talent with health concerns. I hope this isn't JJ part II, but Marvel is a Bay Area kid and I'm sure he would love to end his career in SF.

Lets get real, there are plenty of blunders to blame on McClueless, so lets not go there. Your probably correct about our chances, although I wouldnt mind seeing the effort! We should be trying to sign any high quality players that may be avaible. Look at NE using the #2 pick they received from KC to try to get Peppers. Thats what Im talking about, but we dont have someone who knows football that way and is creative in getting what he needs for the team.

Mike in SF #2,

I posted the Marvel Smith 2 hours ago. If you want people to read your post then it's only appropriate to read others so you're not being reduntant.

PatW,
The Broncos don't have a choice here. They p*ssed this guy off by trying to trade him behind his back and failed. There is no way he is playing in Denver again. They can't force his hand. What are they going to do, just sit there why he doesn't show up everyday and pay him to sit at home all season?? He will not be in Denver next year and the 49ers #10 pick is a good spot to be in for Denver. It's more than they can get from the Jets, I doubt they would want Detroit's #1 because you have to pay some much for an unproven commodity, it might be the best offer they are going to get. Do you really think a red*ss like Cutler is going to go back there after getting thrown under the bus like that??? I seriously doubt it unless the new contract is the highest in NFL History.

This is to all those people that are defending the 49ers ownership and GM......could you keep explaining when the last time they did anything good cuz im still not following what you guys are saying...and the fact that you blame all the bad desicions in the past few years on Nowin seems like a cop out, saying he had full control, who gave him that full control????:/ and please dont say again that they will redeem themselves by drafting Sanchez....please for the sake of all of us, just dont go there

Take a look at what he did in 2008 and consider that the Broncos' defense was ranked 29th overall and last in creating turnovers with just 13 takeaways. They were 30th in points allowed. Overall, they had 44 starts from rookies -- the second-highest total in the NFL behind a Kansas City Chiefs team that was in a full-blown youth movement. In contrast, the Pittsburgh Steelers had only one start by a rookie all season on their way to winning the Super Bowl.

Other interesting facts about Cutler:

» He guided the second-ranked offense in the NFL.

» He was No. 1 in fewest percentage of sacks, with 11 in 627 pass plays. That equates to one sack every 57 pass attempts.

» He was No. 3 in the NFL in third-down efficiency, the "money" down. The average NFL team converted 39.5 percent of its third downs; Cutler converted 47.5 percent.

» He was No. 3 in the AFC in yards per pass play (7.3).

» He threw for more yards than Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, Philip Rivers, Tony Romo and Ben Roethlisberger, to name a few.

» He had just two 100-yard rushing days from a running back all season: Peyton Hillis (129 against the Jets) and Michael Pittman (109 against the Jacksonville Jaguars).

» He had eight games of 300-plus passing yards (five of those at 350 or more), connecting for 15 touchdowns in those contests.

» Sure, he threw 18 interceptions, which is unacceptable, but his ratio of picks to attempts was 1:34, which tells a slightly different story. Last season, Brees had an interception every 37 pass attempts. Favre's ratio was 1:23, and Roethlisberger's was 1:31. Cutler's career ratio is 1:33.

» Only Jacksonville's David Garrard threw more passes in the fourth quarter of games than Cutler, who completed 100 of 167 passes for 1,212 yards and 11 touchdowns with just four interceptions.

Cutler is not a finished product, but when you consider his age, production (54 touchdown passes in 37 games) he is an improvement.

From a bud who's a diehard Denver fan: "Cutler's a whiny punk (actually used a different word I can't repeat here). Trade him for picks and rebuild". The other scenario would have Denver getting a QB in return...so a team like the Browns might be a partner. The last scenario is as Brian Billick described...time heals wounds. McDaniels isn't necessarily going to yield to the "demands" of a young QB. Oh sure, the media's all over this...because it's "drama". Horse puckey...McDaniels isn't going to shred his offense by trading his lone star...not unless some foolhardy team's willing to make him such a ridiculous offer he won't be able to refuse.

Frank,
That seals the deal for me that the 49ers should get Cutler, because a diehard Denver fan=village idiot! Have fun "rebuilding" without a franchise QB. Look at the 49ers for the last 6 years.