.....we deseve a 1st round pick from the jets....

But Matt,I thought you reported that the Niners denied that any teams had contacted them about a trade ,during the trade period after the draft?
Sounds like Brandt might be doing what other media have done, grab onto an errornius report,that they don't know is in error, and keep repeating it.
Didn't the niners deny what Deion said had ever happened ?

Singletary impresses me more each week. He handled it perfectly; keep a low profile and take the high road. Behind the scenes, taking away the one piece of leverage Crabtree and his camp likely had.

Hey Matt - any wild guess on what the 49ers could get in return for Crabtree's rights after March 1? Maybe a late 1 or early 2 2010 pick? It would be pretty sweet if we could get that plus the Jets' 1st rounder, giving us possibly 4 1st rounders in what is shaping up to be one of the best drafts of all time due to senior talent plus massive underclassmen entry over fear of rookie cap in 2011.

Could the niners really screw with cashtree and re-draft him?

Oneniner I can not believe it but i agree with you! GO 49ers

Jeff: I have read that it would not be allowed for the Niners to draft him again ,if he re-enters the 2010 draft. And why would they waste a pick on him anyway,if he already cost them the pick they used in 2009 ?

Hey Matt

John Clayton thinks Crabtree will sign in 2 weeks. Do you agree?

Wow! Oneniner makes a PRO NINERS comment! Way to turn a new leaf! Hang in there buckaroo! It will start getting easier for you to compliment the Niners! As for Rex Ryan and his comments that he wishes he was playing the Niners. He's old school. So him and Sing Sing should settle it old school and go toe to toe! Then Rex will Bbe H-U-R-T HURT! HURT! HURT!

Brent Jones was just on knbr and said he blames Parker 90% and he said Parker is an idiot and leading the 22 year old kid Crabs down the wrong path .He also said he thinks Parker should be banned from the NFL.

Screw Craptree. Trade him to Detroit or Cleveland. See if he will sit out 2 years. Our O-line is key to a win sunday.

He will sign when the niners are 4-0

If the Niners can prove that the Jets tampered with Crabtree, I think the penalty should be severe. In fact, I'm pretty sure "severe" is the word the NFL uses in it's rule book for a case like this. Using the Draft Pick Value Chart, the number 10 pick is worth 1300 points. Let's assume the Jets wind up with the 24th pick this year - at least a decent blind guess based on their play through two weeks - it would take their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th picks (1302.8 pts) to match the first rounder they screwed the Niners out of. And that's the break-even point. Now let's start talking about the penalty...

I like your idea 49erJeff. If the 49ers get a compensation pick from the Jets, say an early 3rd round, waste it on Crabtree and let him sit and kill ant chance for him to make the NFL. Of course if Jerry Jones offers 1st round pick it would be hard to turn down. Frankly I'd ratehr ship him to Jacksonville or Kansas City (ouch!)

Yawn.

Sad world when so much time & energy is spent on this rather than the team and the games.

MM is loving it of course, look at all those page hits.

By the way Brent Jones was one of the players who illegally took money under the table so his opinion on this aint worth shyte.

Realfan: I thought of that too (about Jones taking illegal payments from Eddie and Carman). But no matter,he still knows how it works between an agent and the players in the NFL,so his opinion is valid (and probably right on the money!)..

Realfan: Now that you bring it up,too bad Eddie didn't learn his lesson when the NFL caught him paying a couple of players on the side,to try to side step the salary cap.
If he had learned from his mistakes,he wouldn't have been paying Gov. Edwards that bribe money a few years later and he would still be an owner of the Niners.
Oh well,can't change history .

What all 49ers fans want: another top pick and the satisfaction of sticking it to the New York machine

What we'll end up with: a damn fine coach and players that are on the field that want to win.

We already have the second want, so everything else is gravy on the chicken-fried (your choice of advererary here - please disregard the gin soaked spelling)

GO NINERS!

If the Niners front office goal continues to be to sign Crabtree, and nothing that has happened would indicate otherwise, keep in mind Brandt's earlier comments that the Niners would need to be very patient with Parker in this process. And keep in mind that neither Parker nor Crabtree have "lost" any money yet. In fact, the Niner offer remains out there as it has been. So, Crabtree could sign tomorrow or a month from now and get the same money. (He may or may not end up losing a few thousand for missing games, but that is small change in this negotiation.) So, while most intelligent observers would call Crabtree "foolish" for holding out for the entire season, he is not even close to actually doing that. He is in a position where he can agree to the Niners offer at any time. So, while he can't make the Niners increase their total offer, Parker can negotiate the way the incentives pay out to make it easier for him to get more money in future years.

Bottom line, from a financial point of view, there is no reason for Crabtree to be in a hurry to sign. It will all be there for him when he's ready.

Of course, he really would be an idiot not to sign this year and it certainly was a smart move for the Niners to file charges against the Jets.

I like idea (posted by somebody else, name of whom I forget) of pulling the offer to Crabtree and using that money on an elite free agent after this season. Win-win for the 49ers.

I want a lot more than that. If we're now unable to sign our #10 pick and as compensation we're awarded the Jets first round pick next year but that ends up being in the high teens or low 20s then we're still getting the shaft. Unless we get a #10 or higher out of this I want their first rounder as well as a their second or their third, depending on the overall value of the picks they would otherwise have. Watching Crabtree fall in to the second round (or later) will be the icing on the cake.

Would like to point out that a logical explanation for Crabtree not signing is that he has decided he simply does not want to play for San Francisco. He might, for example, be thinking that the prospect of becoming the next Randy Moss, etc. etc., is bleak on a team that plans to feature the running game and has no magic arm at QB. If this is the case, and if he has some reason to believe that sitting out a year will get him a trade (or at least a re-draft) to a team with an arm and a passing attack (like the Jets), his behavior makes some sense--and the people saying he is nuts because he will ultimately lose money are missing the real motive.

If this is what is going on, it does not diminish the tampering problem--in fact, it arguably makes the tampering even more sinister because it has undermined not just the monetary slotting system but the whole concept of a draft.

Matt--care to comment?

Alchemist, I'm pretty sure you need to start preparing yourself for disappointment. If the 49ers cant sign Crabtree, I'd be very surprised if they get enough compensation to satisfy us fans--especially since most people here would only be satisfied with the Jets 1st pick, AND Mark Sanchez (or some other equally ridiculous pipe dream).

Quite agree. It's a shame.

Alchemist : Read the post from Scott above. He seems to have it figured out pretty well !

Could not agree more. Excellent comment.

The other problem too, is that it's about punishing the Jets, not giving the 9ers other picks. The best you can hope for is that the Jets are docked a pick. The 9er's wouldn't gain a pick.

MarkW: If Crabtree didn't want to be a Niner,then why didn't he have his agent to demand a trade BEFORE the trading deadline? And why was he living in the Bay Area until a week or so ago,waiting to sign his contract ?
Besides all that,who cares what he wants,he is a player that got drafted and the Ninwers own him until the next draft or until his signed contract runs out.
If he hates the Niners when he becomes a free agent,THEN he can go where he wants. And besides if he looks at our 3rd string QB ,he will probably feel better about the future with Davis throwing loads of TD's to him !

The fact that Singletary says, " And, who knows? Maybe we'll see Rex somewhere along the line." This means he considers us a championship caliber team. We can only see them in Super Bowl. I still need to read the Clayton article, but I hope he's right.

TOP_CAT - Here is what I believed happened. Deion said two teams contacted the 49ers about trading for Crabtree's rights. The 49ers denied any trade talks took place. Brandt said he knows of two teams that tried in vain to secure Crabtree's rights but those attempts were rebuffed by the 49ers. If someone calls you and says we would like to talk about trading for Crabtree's rights and you tell them you are not interested then technically you have not participated in trade talks. Make sense?

jon: The Niners certainly WOULD gain a pick or who knows,maybe more,if the Jets are found to have tampered and IF the tampering caused the Niners to lose the player or at least deprive them of the player for this year.
The whole purpose of the League office should be to punish the rule breakers and to make the Niners whole.
When the niners were punished for what the Commish thought was a minor tampering charge,the Niners lost a draft pick but also had to trade picks with the bears,to compensate the Bears (which didn't lose anything,since they re-signed the player anyway).So even though the Bears lost nothing ,the Commish still awarded then compensation.What do you think he SHOULD do IF the Niners lose a player and a #10 draft pick and are deprived of anything from their 1st pick in the 2009 draft ? I think considering what the Commish gave the Bears,the Niners should get at least the Jets #1 pick and much much more.

Read the post above from Scott,to see just how much is on the line here !

Jon in SoCal - Why would the 49ers not get the picks? The Bears got the 49ers 5th round pick and got to trade places with the 49ers in the third round moving the Bears up five positions when the 49ers were penalized for tampering with the Bears' Lance Briggs. Thats how it works.

Everyone in the lynch mob who's out to hang just the Jets, Brandt said he knows a COUPLE TEAMS tried to obtain Crabtree's rights too. Nobody cares who that 2nd team was? How did Deion know there were a couple teams interested in Crabtree. The Jets sure didn't tell Crabtree there was 2nd team interested just so there could be a bidding war. The Niners must only have evidence on the Jets and not enough on the other team. I'd be surprised if the league would even award the Niners anything higher than a 3rd rounder. I think they still have 49er heartburn from the Eddie D and Carmen Policy days.

ska: No,because the Niners said they were never contacted by any teams.
It sounds more like Brandt missunderstood and didn't know that the story going around was denied by the Niners and he just was repeating the story that had been in the media. Sort of like the $16 million dollar guarantee amount keeps getting printed all over the place,when the Niners have said they are willing to give as much as $18 million guarantees. I strill hear every day that people in the media say"Well,we KNOW that the Niners are only willing to go as high as $16 million". But sometimes KNOWING is missleading.
But none of us know these details,I just hope he comes to his senses and fires the agent and signs AND then makes the Pro Bowl for the next 10 years in a row,catching passes from Nate Davis !

My guess is that the punishment will be handed down on the day after Crabtree signs with the Niners OR on November 17, whichever comes first.

Hear me out....

If he has not signed by November 17, then the Niners suffer a total loss of the #10 overall pick, and thus justice would demand that the Jets fork over the full value of the #10 overall -- as has been pointed out by other bloggers, that would require the Jets to turn multiple picks over to the Niners.

If Crabtree signs before November 17, then the Niners have their man, and the harm to the Niners is far less than if he doesn't sign at all. So then if I was Goodell I'd take away, say, the Jets 2nd round pick and give it to the Niiners.

The 49ers passing game--or lack thereof--has become most apparent after the trade deadline, as a result of the two regular season games. My guess is that Crabtree may have started out thinking about nothing but money, but then began to think about other issues as it became obvious that the down-the field heave does not loom large on the 49er play chart. Why sign a multi-year contract with a team you want nothing to do with----IF you think you have an ace in the holei?

Rich: The Niners don't lose Crabtree until the 2010 draft starts with him unsigned. He can still sign with us after Nov. 17th ,he just would not be allowed to play for us in 2009.
The Commish probably will not award the compensation until he knows what the loss is . If the niners sign Crabs,or if he is traded for a decent pick or two,the compensation by the League would be less than if we never signed him and were never able to trade him.
If we don't sign him ,we can't start looking for a trade partner until March 5th. So how could the Commish know what the compensation from the Jets would need to be to make the team whole,until after he knew what ,if anything,we got in trade for him. He could however hand down a part of the Jets punnishment right away if he makes a judgement that they are guilty.Say a loss of their #1 pick etc. Then later ,when he sees what transpires between us and Crabs,he could transfer that Jets pick to us ,along with whatever else it took to make it as if the tampering never took place.
Again refer you to Scott's post earlier in this thread...
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If the Niners can prove that the Jets tampered with Crabtree, I think the penalty should be severe. In fact, I'm pretty sure "severe" is the word the NFL uses in it's rule book for a case like this. Using the Draft Pick Value Chart, the number 10 pick is worth 1300 points. Let's assume the Jets wind up with the 24th pick this year - at least a decent blind guess based on their play through two weeks - it would take their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th picks (1302.8 pts) to match the first rounder they screwed the Niners out of. And that's the break-even point. Now let's start talking about the penalty...
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I only hope that the Commish can be fair,but I will only believe it when I see it .

Let me state this for the record:

THE 49ERS WILL NEVER TRADE MIKE CRABTREE.

Never. The only pick they'll possibly get in exchange for losing him is the one the Jets might have to forfeit. The 49ers will simply bite the bullet and lose Crabtree with nothing in return other than monetary savings and an enormous amount of credibility with the rest of the league and its agents.

If the 49ers traded Crabtree, they'd undoubtedly be getting less than the 10th they used on him and he'd have successfully broken the draft compensation slotting system. That is, the only team that would trade for him would be one that is confident they could sign him...one that is willing to pay him DHB money. And just as they know Al Davis is insane, agents and players will forever know the 49ers will eventually fold if enough pressure is applied.

No, the 49ers are giving Crabtree exactly two choices: sign and become a 49er for $16/24 million, or lose a year and make less after reentering the draft.

Once you take "trading to a team willing to pay him," the choice of signing with the 49ers looks a lot better. And if he sticks to his guns and reenters to make a point, he'll become a cautionary tale for draftees and agents. And nobody will ever hold the 49ers hostage again.

Mark: Yeah,like that 50 yard pass to Bruce ,lol
If Crabs comes to the Niners he can catch as many balls as he can get open to catch. The Niners have passed more than they have run so far this year. In the Cards game they passed 58% of the time.
So if Crabs is watching,as you think,then he must be excited to come to a passing team like the Niners ,right ? lol

Pass to Bruce was nice, but realistically, Sean Hill and the 48er passing game is is a lot more like Trent Dilfer in Baltimore than Joe Montana in old SF. And Sing has made it clear that is exactly what he wants.

PS--Can you/or anyone/ remember the name of a receiver on the Baltimore Super Bowl team?? Alternatively, do you really think MC is acting like someone who wants to play for the 9ers?

Matt: Have you been able to absolutely confirm that the Niners are reducing their offer to Crabtree as his holdout continues? I remember all the rumors about it a couple weeks back but I never saw anything concrete. I'm wondering if maybe Crabtree's endgame is to hold out until Week 10 just before the deadline and then finally sign the contract. If he waited that long to sign he'd see almost no playing time and that would essentially mean his five year contract with five years worth of money only required four years of actual play. That would put his $16.5 million over four years of actually playing for San Francisco close to the annual breakdown in DHB's contract, unless of course the Niners start reducing the offer.

The second team is the Cowboys. Jerry Jones is gonna help pay for our new stadium. Just watch, 49ers get needed financial help, and Jerry Jones gets to save face. This will never go public with the whole story. But you will here about Jones helping out a fellow NFL team owner.

The Bears did not gain any picks from the 9ers. They swapped positions with them in the 3rd round and the 9ers FLAT LOST the 5th rounder. Goodell is more worried about punishing teams so that other teams don't tamper than making the other team whole.
BTW, you really think that we are going to get treated fairly by the Commish? If it were the Pats, there would be 4 first rounders given. For us, I am not sure.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2008-03-24/niners-guilty-briggs-tampering-forfeit-pick

We have two disputed matters of fact:

1) Deion claims that two teams contacted the 9ers about trading Crabtree rights, but the 9ers say it never happened. There's no prohibition against teams talking with each other, so I don't see that it matters one way or the other.

2) The 9ers claim that the Jets contacted the Crabtree camp, but the Jets say they didn't. This is the crux of the matter. If the 9ers have convincing evidence, then the penalities could potentially alter the competitive landscape for a long time. My feeling is, the 9ers wouldn't have made the charge if they couldn't back it up.

Can someone explain that point system that scott was talking about. I think that would be great to get all those picks but i know its not realistic.

Even if realistically we get another 1st rounder. that would still be 3 first rounders for a team that i believe drafts pretty well in the first round. maybe even another top ten pick if the panthers continue to faulter.(imagine top 5 anything can happen) who knows what we could walk outta 2010 with! I believe the 49ers of 2012 are gonna be a top 5 football team in the NFL. but i also think we will make the playoffs in 2009!

bears did not get a pick from niners......the picks in the 3rd round where swapped (5 places) and the niners lost a 5th round pick which the bears did NOT get.

so i cannot assume the niners would get the Jets' first round pick......the bears scenario did not set that particular precedence

but i do agree they should ..... or better yet equal compensation to the 10th pick as suggested before which would be equivalent to a Mike Ditka's trade, i.e. complete years draft for Williams type compensation.

MarkW - "Pass to Bruce was nice, but realistically, Sean Hill and the 48er passing game is is a lot more like Trent Dilfer in Baltimore"

That is exactly how I see it. What hill is doing, any good backup can do. I am not knocking him, the team is winning and he is part of the team, but take away gores long runs and...

Top - I think if you gave the niners some of the jets picks, you would be punishing the rest of the league fo what the Jets did. I think Arizona, Seatle, and the rest would have something to say. It is not fair, but I just don't see how we can be compensated.

We should get their pick if we can't sign Crabtree. Look the league is loosing money too. Crabtree's jersey sales have definitely gone down from him not signing. The 49ers have probably lost ticket sales. And this is bringing more controversy to Roger G's precious league. Heads are gonna roll, because somebody's messing with the leagues money.

If we assume that Crabtree's not the second coming of Rashaun Woods and was instead a player worth having on your roster then the Jets have already done the rest of the league (Arizona and Seattle in particular) a big favor by keeping him from playing in San Francisco. If the allegations turn out to be true then it's tough to imagine Craptree having a long and productive career for a team he apparently doesn't want to play for because he thinks they've been unfair with him. The Jets move will have had the net effect of stripping us of our first round pick. Taking their draft and giving it to us (depending on what their picks are next year, of course) will correct the imbalance that currently exists when the rest of the league drafted and we basically did not. All of that contingent on the scenario Crabgrass never plays for us but that's looking more and more realistic by the day.

> He said he wishes the Jets could play the 49ers.

a) They can still play each other this season.

b) There is a high probability they will meet next preseason because of this incident..

c) They are scheduled to play in 2012 anyway.

If tampering is proven, and Crabtree knew about it (he's Dion's buddy) he is guilty of conspiring to defraud the 49ers. Tampering is a serious violation of league policy. He did not report the tampering so he is an accomplice.

He is not a signed player, but he could be banned from the league as Vick was, as an example.
He has to disassociate himself from Parker before signing or it might seem he condones Parker's illegal and unethical tampering.

Parker needs to be suspended or banned if proven to have used the contacts with other teams to sway his client to not sign with the niners. Violating league policies cannot be construed as acting in his clients best interest.

Goodell will be forced to throw the book at the Jets and Parker . This is way more serious than what the 49ers did to the Bears. Goodell cannot be seen as giving lesser punishment for a more heinous crime. Anything less and you can brand an H on his forehead for Hypocrite.

Hey, I just had a thought! I saw this on NYPD a few years ago (nah, any crime show has this plot).

Who knows who the second tampering team is? THE JETS!
Parker probably told them they would be competing against another team.

Who told Dion there were two teams? Parker!

Who squeals to Goodell to get a lighter punishment?
THE JETS!

Who squeals to Goodell so he can keep his TV Job and be in the good graces of the NFL and be invited to future events? DION!

ROFL !

MM, Do you think if there is draft pick compensation that it will be conditional on where the Jets pick? /Do you think Goodell would wait to determine the compensation until draft order is set?

I watched "Inside the NFL" last night and Michael Lombardi stated that in 2008 commissioner Goodell warned all teams that a unsubstantiated tampering charge would result in punishment for the accuser. This scared me a bit as I have been reading on this board about how we could gain picks or nothing. Now the realization that a charge, which is so hard to prove, can also have a negative effect on your team could hurt the niners. That is just what we need.

Lombardi also stated that he talked with Eugene Parker who stated that he is willing to make concessions on his contract demands, as long as niner brass will too.

Matt, could you explain the consequences of a false tampering charge?

Just wanna clear up one thing I saw posted in this thread by 49erJeff:

Under NFL rules, if Crabs doesn't sign and enters the 2010 draft the Niners are NOT allowed to redraft him.

sf49ertroy, hopefully McCloughan is aware of this and has significant evidence. It's all the more reason to believe that the Jets did tamper IMHO, of course he's been fuzzy on this sort of thing before and thats why we got nabbed in the Briggs case, so who knows for sure.

Here is something I think alot people are missing as well, let's say Crabtree signs and the league is able to prove tampering. The league could simply fine the Jets or take picks away from them. They don't have to give us picks if they do not see fit...especially if we signed our guy. Now they very well could award us picks whether Crabtree signs or not but it is not a necessity. So be patient because we prolly wont even here anything official on this until the offseason. In fact, if we hear anything on this before the offseason then I would say it would be absolving the Jets from any wrong-doing. Anyways, sure will be nice to punch Minny in the mouth and get to 3-0 with a noodle-armed QB..I know oneniner is with me..who else??

Crabtree fired Parker

> Crabtree fired Parker

Source?

If we don't sign him, we won't get anywhere near a #10 value in a draft pick, nor probably a player as good, or we will just lose a #10 pick which would be a shame. Crabtree may or may not get as much money. Both sides take risks.

I believe as have been reported, tampering is rampant, teams out spend, and they break the rules.

"talked with Eugene Parker who stated that he is willing to make concessions on his contract demands, as long as niner brass will too."

So he is willing to come down from 40 mil to 30 mil over 5 years??

Why would the niners want to make concessions when they are already offering his slot?? The niners offer will be going down, not up.

Ahab - That would be HUGE news and I'm not seeing it ANYWHERE. What is your source?

..no way...where is your source?

Niner559 - I watched the Lombardi interview as well. Here is what he stated: 1. Lombardi said he talked to Parker yesterday which is news since Parker has been media silent up until now. 2. Lombardi was wrong about every single rule as it relates to Crabtree being traded or re-entering the draft (Surprising from an EX-GM). 3. The biggie: Parker told Lombardi that they are trying to lower the threshold for Crabtree’s playing incentives and that is what he is trying to get the 49ers to come to the table with. For some odd reason Lombardi seemed to be siding with Parker the entire interview and was essentially his mouth piece. Again, I was blown away that he was dead wrong about the rules relating to Crabtree: He said he can work out for teams 1 week before the draft and he said until he plays for 1 full NFL season, his rights cannot be traded. Both are dead wrong, thanks to MM’s multiple posts on this subject.

Crabtree had a bowel movement this morning.

...with all the talk about the physical training camp.....

....i think its refreshing that we have a healthy team after 2 games....

kudos to the strength coach.....or maybe its the new facilities built by the yorks...

Here it is from Lombari's article this morning:

Wednesday night on Showtime’s “Inside the NFL,” I was talking about 49ers first-round pick Michael Crabtree, who is still holding out and remains the lone unsigned rookie from the 2009 draft. Crabtree’s agent, Eugene Parker, indicated to me on the phone the other day that he’s willing to compromise and sit down and work out a deal, but the 49ers have to be willing to do the same. These situations don’t arise because one party is completely at fault -- it takes two to make a mess and it takes two to make a deal

HAHAHAHA!!! Toilet humor...

The big question here is what are the concessions Parker's willing to make in return for what. His statement, without details, is just him trying to improve his image. We all know that in negotiations, there are always unrealistic requests made initially( something you don't really expect to get) just for the purpose of conceding during the negotiation process to get something you really want and show you're willing to negotiate .

Matt, do you think could the tampering charge be used by the Niners as "political" cover to pay Crabtree over slot?

The Niners could make a very reasonable case that they were doing their best to be good business partners by sticking to the slotting system until one (at least) of their business partners decided to stick their nose into Niner business and blow everything up.

IMO it's there for the taking as a last resort on November 17th.

I think if the niners do trade Crabgrass to the Jets in the offseason it should include either Kris Jenkins (NT) or Reivis (DB) and a Draft Pick. If a 1st Round Draft Pick is part of the deal, it should be a 2011 Pick - this way we have 2 first Rd. picks each of the next two years!

>>>Crabtree had a bowel movement this morning.

This is big news if true.... Who is your source!!!

...one thing for sure.......no other team will even think of talking to crabtree now....

Just to add a thought to your post MarkW. If this is truly Crabtrees thought process, then we can all safely say that he is not a team player - that all he cares about is himself and the money, and we don't need "me" players. Looks like the "diva" label made by other teams are actually true.

Good article on the 9ers and specifically Coach in this week's print edition of Sports Iluustrated.

Yep, we could play the Jets this year...in the Superbowl ;-)

You guys overestimate trade value tremendously....Yeah I'll give you a can of corn and a box of easy mac for a filet mignon today and a seven course meal tomorrow. No way anyone can trade for Revis and we don't need an aging D-tackle with durability issues. In case you haven't noticed, our D is looking pretty good on the front lines though I don't think we have much quality depth in the front seven. However, the 2011 first round pick if we could find anyone to give us that for Crabs sounds semi-reasonable to me(assuming we don't somehow sign him first). But still other than the AFC West...it is pretty hard to seperate teams and future first round picks.

Guys - Here is an email exchange I just had with Michael Lombardi about his conversation two days ago with Eugene Parker. I asked if he thinks Parker will get this deal done in the next few weeks:

"Parker wants to do a deal, he admits he will compromise to make --- he knows a deal this year is better than waiting"

Let's face it, the only way the CashTree signs with our 9ers is if he fires his agent - he somewhat saves face rather than looking like the complete idiot he really is. If he stays with Eugene Parker, he will sit out the entire season. If this happens, NO WAY, the 9ers allow him to re-enter the draft - if this happens its a big, big failure on 9ers part. All it takes is a 2nd team to add to the dance, and the bidding war begins. If the Jets really want him and don't want him traded to another team, it may cost a Revis or a DBrick Ferguson or a 2011 first round pick - in any case, aim high 9ers, aim high. BTW, pull the offer off the table already -what are you waiting for?

All this Darrelle Revis for Crabtree stuff is just crazy talk-the Jets would never deal him.

Maybe Parker now wants guaranteed assurance that the 9er faithfuls will not throw his clients jersey onto the field and boo his sorry a$$ every time he walks out on to the field. It would be great if/when he gets a TD, everyone boo him and just litter the field with monopoly money ................

Most of these guys are just dreaming out loud on compensation for Crabtree either that or taking drugs. Reality can be so much less exciting.

In my opinion, even if other teams had “legally” tried to contact the Niners for a Crabtree trade the Niners were wise to deny this ever happened. Assuming these conversations took place solely between the Niners and the other team(s) (with Parker, Crabtree, and associated third party not having knowledge of such conversations) why would the Niners want the player they’re trying to sign to know other teams are interested in his services?

I think if November 17th comes and goes with no deal the best the Niners could hope for compensation wise is a late 1st rounder. They would need to pair up with a team in need of a playmaker, but picking in the bottom half of the round. A team that would otherwise be hoping that Crabtree would fall to them, but would rather trade the pick to the Niners for Crabtree's rights than roll the dice and hope he falls.

You guys overestimate trade value tremendously....Yeah I'll give you a can of corn and a box of easy mac for a filet mignon today and a seven course meal tomorrow. No way anyone can trade for Revis and we don't need an aging D-tackle with durability issues. In case you haven't noticed, our D is looking pretty good on the front lines though I don't think we have much quality depth in the front seven. However, the 2011 first round pick if we could find anyone to give us that for Crabs sounds semi-reasonable to me(assuming we don't somehow sign him first). But still other than the AFC West...it is pretty hard to seperate teams and future first round picks.

Listen I echo the sentiments you have about Crabtree..but there is no way they trade a shutdown corner or franchise LT for an unproven commodity like Crabtree. Future picks I can see...perhaps maybe a first rounder even if they are stupid enough to take this problem off our hands but calm down with the name dropping their because those players are of much greater value to the Jets than the possibility of adding Crabtree...Aim high as an organization but bring yourself back to reality as a fan

Matt, do you know why Jason Hill is being kept off the active roster? Doesn't make any sense. He has the explosive playmaking ability this team needs.

Jason Hill a EXPLOSIVE PLAYMAKER, child please!

Nothing will HAPPEN to the Jets, EAST COAST BIAS!

Explosive playmaking POTENTIAL. He's got speed. What's he lacking and why isn't he playing?

If does sign it should be right after week 5 during the bye week.
The 9ers have to be for Favre being and top of his game which he usually is against the 49ers, so basically its up to the WRs to get open. They cant give Favre too much time either. On offense they gotta make sure they can spread the defense out and probably try to overpower them with the run game. In passing Hill should have checkdowns or hot reads in case the line collapses and maybe let the Vikings DEs beat them on the outside instead of inside stunts,though Hill would have to tep up n that situation which might not be good but maybe getting outside the pocket can tire out their D.
Vikings pretty similar to the 49ers except for the 4-3 they run the ball and get to the QB. The 9ers D also has to not overpursue and watch out for the delays or wildcat. I dont know if a good Running game goes well against a good run D, kind of like 2 positives equals a negative. Hill cannot turn the ball over and must move the chains at least to the 50 yd line. 9ers gotta score when they score if theyre behind. Turnovers will be the key to having advantage in the game for either team. Special teams will have to lock it up as well.

Craba$$ story on ESPN: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=hotread2/crabtree

..its interesting so called niner fans didnt even mention Raye and Favre relationship.....

Raye was on the same team with favre last yr.....you wouldn't think "a guy that hates the niners so much" will bring that up.....bunch of loosers...:)

Hey Matt...If the niners trade Crabtrees rights on march 1...how long does the other team have to sign him? Up to the Draft?

Great link. Thanks for posting that.

Come on Crabtree and Jed, make it happen! Soon!!

My revised prediction (I had thought he'd sign right before the start of the regular season) is this:

He signs Monday October 12th, one day after we play the Falcons at the Stick. This is right before the bye week, and after the bye week the niners play two road games. This will give him the most time to crash course learn, and if he gets any playing time, it will be on the road in front of, LOL, more friendly fans than in SF. The added plus, is if he can make anything good happen in either of those two games, it will soften the ire of the fans. Maybe. Just a thought.

RE: David Wells,

"He's gotten past the ropes and seen the NFL high life as a bodyguard for former Dallas Cowboys players Michael Irvin and Adam "Pacman" Jones, and is widely known in the Cowboys organization."

Welp, that should erase a lot of doubt about who that 2nd team is.

If the "NFL high life" involves being a bodyguard for Michael Irvin or Pacman Jones, well, IMO, that's a pretty sad statement.

WOW,great article from ESPN!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=hotread2/crabtree
"Texas Tech coach Mike Leach says he'd be surprised if anyone other than Crabtree's agent was advising him.
"They say he's an entourage guy, but that's not true," Leach(Crabtree's college HC)says."Michael's kind of a loner who keeps to himself.He's just a nice, polite guy who goes about his business.I know that sounds a little Frank Capra, but it's true."
"He's a very focused kid Far more focused than kids his age,"Dilfer says(after he met 3 times with Crabs recently)."He compartmentalizes things. My impression is that in his mind, he's compartmentalized this as saying,'Hey, my job is to be ready to play when my people put me in position to play.'He doesn't think he's part of that.He's just focused on getting himself physically and mentally ready for the NFL. And he thinks the business side of it-of signing or not-is a whole separate issue,and he's not concerning himself with it."

...Read that article ,it is really interesting that His College HC and Trent Dilfer both have said that they believe that Crabs is not involving himself in Parker's negotiations. He trusts Parker. Crabs is just keeping in great shape and waiting for his agent to tell him when it's time to sign. Just like we heard was the case with Curry ,when he was holding out from Seattle.
Jed said that Paraag is talking to Parker every day,but we now know that only what Parker wants the kid to know is getting through to Crabs.
I found it interesting that yesterday Kevin Lynch said he believed that Parker was using the kid to make a statement and to get himself a place at the new Collective Bargaining agreement talks.Driving the bus over Crabs to get where he wants to go ,what a sleeze!

Here's food for thought Michael Crabtree:
if you think you should have been drafted higher in the draft why don't you sign and apply yourself like Michael Oher. You know, the guy you probably caused to fall from #10 to #23 in the draft, that's 13 slots along with a large decrease in guaranteed money. He apparently didn't sit in the middle of the floor, cry, kick his legs and pout. Hey Michael, he's playing well and proving the Niner's and several of the other 21 teams might have made a big mistake in not drafting him. Time to man up Michael, as they say!